RNRC Re-Theming Rumors...... again

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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CaptainAmerica said:
You know "Aerosmith" is, itself, IP. Right? Just like "The Twilight Zone" is IP.

Honestly, I think most of the people who complain about IP don't actually have any idea what it means. At least Frozen is IP that Disney created rather than something they licensed off a third party.
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Yes, and every IP that Disney buys, automatically becomes a Disney IP once the papers are signed. My thought is what difference does it make who thought of it. If it is entertaining and well done, I welcome it.

Pixar is now a Disney IP as is Starwars and Indiana Jones is now a Disney IP. Marvel is now a Disney IP with restrictions. RcRC and ToT are third partied contracted and paid for. Snow White, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Mr. Toad, Mary Poppins and many others were someone else's IP that Disney paid to develop and put the Disney spin on them. For some reason people liked them and never asked who thought of it.
 
aliceismad

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Goofyernmost said:
Yes, and every IP that Disney buys, automatically becomes a Disney IP once the papers are signed. My thought is what difference does it make who thought of it. If it is entertaining and well done, I welcome it.

Pixar is now a Disney IP as is Starwars and Indiana Jones is now a Disney IP. Marvel is now a Disney IP with restrictions. RcRC and ToT are third partied contracted and paid for. Snow White, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Mr. Toad, Mary Poppins and many others were someone else's IP that Disney paid to develop and put the Disney spin on them. For some reason people liked them and never asked who thought of it.
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So if I'm Disney, is it more beneficial for me to keep an attraction with a third-party IP or rebrand it to my own IP? Does attraction-themed merchandise costs include a cut for the third party? Can't I prop up and market my own brand using my own IP instead?
 
HiJe

HiJe

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aliceismad said:
So if I'm Disney, is it more beneficial for me to keep an attraction with a third-party IP or rebrand it to my own IP? Does attraction-themed merchandise costs include a cut for the third party? Can't I prop up and market my own brand using my own IP instead?
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Crazy idea here. What about an original concept? (Please read with hopeful sarcasm).
 
aliceismad

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HiJe said:
Crazy idea here. What about an original concept? (Please read with hopeful sarcasm).
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Ha ha ha ha. You mean like when they threw away Beastly Kingdom for Pandora. :grumpy: (And that's a third-party IP. Also, I really don't get the whole Pandora thing.)
 
Goofyernmost

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aliceismad said:
So if I'm Disney, is it more beneficial for me to keep an attraction with a third-party IP or rebrand it to my own IP? Does attraction-themed merchandise costs include a cut for the third party? Can't I prop up and market my own brand using my own IP instead?
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If it is a something that attracts paying customers it is possibly, at worse, a break even situation. Right now there are not many outside IP's in the parks anymore. Most are either original Disney ideas or Disney now owns them. Even things that we think for sure are original concepts, like the Haunted Mansion are not original to Disney. The design and method of telling the story is Disney's, but, Haunted Houses as a prop have existed for years and years and years. Every object on the planet that wasn't part of nature, is someones IP.
 
Kman101

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HiJe said:
Crazy idea here. What about an original concept? (Please read with hopeful sarcasm).
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LOL. I for one would welcome it. But I've changed my way of thinking when it comes to, at least, WDW. I know we're getting IP almost every time so I try and find a best case scenario (and they usually do a poor job using said IP) ...
 
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CaptainAmerica said:
You know "Aerosmith" is, itself, IP. Right? Just like "The Twilight Zone" is IP.

Honestly, I think most of the people who complain about IP don't actually have any idea what it means. At least Frozen is IP that Disney created rather than something they licensed off a third party.
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When most people say “IP” they mean “not another ride based on a movie franchise.” Universal used to be the place where you could “ride the movies!” as was their tag line for so many years. Disney was so much more than that. Now every major addition or retheme is just another movie, when in the past there was a good mix.

This movie stuff works well in some instances but, more often than not, it can become outdated with time and is limiting to who can fully understand the experience. You need to know nothing of Twilight Zone or Aerosmith to both understand AND enjoy those attractions.

Additionally, Disney used to be amazing at creating themed lands that were based around specific times or places, transporting you to another world. Today every new “land” is also movie based. If ToT were built today, they’d surely build a Twilight Zone land instead of crafting an interesting, relevant street (sunset blvd) which leads you down to an abandoned hotel. It makes the story so much better.
 
TwilightZone

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After thinking what movie disney would want to synergy this with it became clear to me

Creepy CGI stitch's hawaiian roller coaster ride!
 
Kman101

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ChrisFL said:
I could see them shoe-horning in the incredibles to this attraction
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All they have to do is copy and paste from California Screamin'. Sure it'd have to be designed somewhat differently but the bones are there. I can see the whole back stretch of the park behind Sunset and the Market being Pixar leading up to RnRc and the Screenz show. Just a thought. I feel like we've heard enough rumblings and hints that Launch Bay isn't long for this world in the future ... but of course anything can change. Just trying to piece together some things.
 
ChrisFL

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I do think it's always been a bit awkward with that courtyard and no way to get to Sunset Blvd. easily. I know it's because of how the park was built in stages, but I do think it would be nice to create a faster way to get back there.

Having said that, the CM cafeteria is just to the right of Launch Bay on the back half of the Disney Junior building and they need their "off stage" access to it.
 
Kman101

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ChrisFL said:
I do think it's always been a bit awkward with that courtyard and no way to get to Sunset Blvd. easily. I know it's because of how the park was built in stages, but I do think it would be nice to create a faster way to get back there.

Having said that, the CM cafeteria is just to the right of Launch Bay on the back half of the Disney Junior building and they need their "off stage" access to it.
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Things like that can be incorporated into new areas if they wanted to. Or moved. I'd be surprised if that area behind Sunset Ranch Market wasn't on their list (however long and ongoing the list may be -- and it's pretty long for this park ... and Epcot ...). Not saying it's imminent but there's probably more room than we think and they really would benefit from connecting to it easier. But the park has a lot of other issues ... it's hard to see it as a priority but who knows?
 
larryz

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ProfSavage said:
From the article: "Correction: Nov. 16, 2018

An earlier version of a map with this article misstated the Walt Disney Company’s plans for the Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster at its Hollywood Studios park. The company has no current plans to upgrade the ride"
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Oh... never mind, then.
 
ToTBellHop

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ProfSavage said:
From the article: "Correction: Nov. 16, 2018

An earlier version of a map with this article misstated the Walt Disney Company’s plans for the Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster at its Hollywood Studios park. The company has no current plans to upgrade the ride"
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That’s pretty meaningless. It’s literally the only response to expect when nothing has been announced.
 

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