News Reimagined Toontown coming

TP2000

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It will be somewhat surprising if M&MRR isn’t ready to open with the land, given that it’s a cloned attraction and it’s been under construction for years. That said, theme parks have really struggled to get the land/attraction timing right in recent years, so I guess it’s possible.

I'm sure the Railway ride will open on time. But for Disneyland, delayed rides are generally how it often goes...

New Orleans Square land grand opening - July 24th, 1966
  • Pirates of the Caribbean - March 18th, 1967
  • The Haunted Mansion - August 9th, 1969
New Tomorrowland land grand opening - July 2nd, 1967
  • Goodyear's PeopleMover - July 2nd, 1967
  • Bell System's America The Beautiful - July 2nd, 1967
  • No One's Rocket Jets - July 5th, 1967
  • General Electric's Carousel of Progress - July 14th, 1967
  • Monsanto's Adventure Thru Inner Space - August 5th, 1967
  • McDonnel-Douglas's Flight To The Moon - August 12th 1967
New Fantasyland land grand opening - May 25th, 1983
  • Almost everything - May 25th, 1983
  • Alice In Wonderland - April 18th, 1984
Mickey's Toontown land grand opening - January 24th, 1993
  • Gadget's Go Coaster - January 24th, 1993
  • Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin - January 26th, 1994
Pixar Pier land grand opening - June 25th, 2018
  • Chase-A-Baby and most other stuff - June 25th, 2018
  • Jessie's Critter Carousel - April 5th, 2019
  • Inside Out Emotional Whirlwind, Hosted by Xanax - June 28th, 2019
Marvel Avenger's Campus land grand opening - June 4th, 2021

  • Avenger's E Ticket Genie+ Bundle - TBD???
I think for Anaheim, the only new lands that ever opened with all their attractions ready to operate at the grand opening were Bear Country, A Bug's Land, and Cars Land. Everything else seems to have at least one or two rides delayed by months, or a year or more.

In DCA's defense, all the attractions opened right on time when the park had it's grand opening on February 8th, 2001. That wasn't exactly a good thing, but at least all the attractions were, um, open!
 
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gerarar

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:cool:

And I completely forgot about Star Wars Land, another land with a six month delay for one of its big rides...

Star Wars Galaxy's Edge land grand opening - May 31st, 2019
  • Millennium Falcon: Target Run - May 31st, 2019
  • Star Wars: Rise Before Dawn - December 5th, 2019
Slight correction, ROTR in DL opened the following year on January 17, 2020. So make that 7.5 months!
 
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TP2000

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I haven't even been on that darn ride, because it's not a theme that interests me enough to buy a ticket to the park. And I still don't have a Magic Key, and probably never will at this point. So who knows what that ride is really like? I just saw a rather good video of it on YouTube, and it looked like Midway Mania with CM's wearing sloppy, shapeless, untucked shirt uniforms and people going "Pew! Pew-Pew!" with their hands and wrists in way that ensures carpal tunnel syndrome.

The only thing that really caught my eye in the bland YouTube video of this ride was the 28th version of a theme park pre-show that involves an "Open House!" in a messy science lab.

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mharrington

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I saw pics on MiceChat showing tags placed on the signs at the entrance to the land, including the big main one, indicating that they are to be removed, which is a shame.

Incidentally, I'm not sure if a year or so is enough time to do the whole land, given the concept art, if they're going to reopen by early next year. I would think "early next year" could be as late as March or so. It's only just shut down, and even the structure of the Runaway Railway, though clearly being built, still has quite a ways to go. I hope they already have a lot of the props and such worked out.

I think for Anaheim, the only new lands that ever opened with all their attractions ready to operate at the grand opening were Bear Country, A Bug's Land, and Cars Land. Everything else seems to have at least one or two rides delayed by months, or a year or more.

In DCA's defense, all the attractions opened right on time when the park had it's grand opening on February 8th, 2001. That wasn't exactly a good thing, but at least all the attractions were, um, open!

Speaking of Bear Country, that was renamed Critter Country in 1988, but Splash Mountain (the purpose for the land to be called Critter Country) did not open until July 17, 1989.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I saw pics on MiceChat showing tags placed on the signs at the entrance to the land, including the big main one, indicating that they are to be removed, which is a shame.
They could be tagged for only temporary removal during construction. We'll have to see if they come back in one form or another when the land reopens.

Incidentally, I'm not sure if a year or so is enough time to do the whole land, given the concept art, if they're going to reopen by early next year. I would think "early next year" could be as late as March or so. It's only just shut down, and even the structure of the Runaway Railway, though clearly being built, still has quite a ways to go. I hope they already have a lot of the props and such worked out.

I think a year is enough time since a majority of the land appears to be staying intact or changing just slightly. With the whole land closed they can then work around the clock if needed to get things done.
 

Too Many Hats

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I'm sure the Railway ride will open on time. But for Disneyland, delayed rides are generally how it often goes...

New Orleans Square land grand opening - July 24th, 1966
  • Pirates of the Caribbean - March 18th, 1967
  • The Haunted Mansion - August 9th, 1969

I mean, I hate to engage in rosy retrospection, but I'm okay with lengthy delays if the final products are groundbreaking, timeless masterpieces.

New Tomorrowland land grand opening - July 2nd, 1967
  • Goodyear's PeopleMover - July 2nd, 1967
  • Bell System's America The Beautiful - July 2nd, 1967
  • No One's Rocket Jets - July 5th, 1967
  • General Electric's Carousel of Progress - July 14th, 1967
  • Monsanto's Adventure Thru Inner Space - August 5th, 1967
  • McDonnel-Douglas's Flight To The Moon - August 12th 1967

Man. What a summer that must've been. If I were alive at the time, I'm not so sure I would've been drawn to the free love and hallucinogenics of the Haight-Ashbury; I probably would've been trying to get to Disneyland.

New Fantasyland land grand opening - May 25th, 1983
  • Almost everything - May 25th, 1983
  • Alice In Wonderland - April 18th, 1984

Love that ride. Worth the wait.

Mickey's Toontown land grand opening - January 24th, 1993

  • Gadget's Go Coaster - January 24th, 1993
  • Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin - January 26th, 1994

This one is puzzling. I know the spinning vehicles were a novelty, but a whole year?

  • Inside Out Emotional Whirlwind, Hosted by Xanax - June 28th, 2019

😄

I think for Anaheim, the only new lands that ever opened with all their attractions ready to operate at the grand opening were Bear Country, A Bug's Land, and Cars Land. Everything else seems to have at least one or two rides delayed by months, or a year or more.

In DCA's defense, all the attractions opened right on time when the park had it's grand opening on February 8th, 2001. That wasn't exactly a good thing, but at least all the attractions were, um, open!

Haha. I appreciate your list. I'm spoiled, having grown up in an era when the major attractions of Islands of Adventure, Hogsmeade, Diagon Alley*, and Cars Land all opened on time.

* (Okay, I seem to remember Gringotts being slightly delayed a week or two, but it was pretty close)
 

TP2000

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I mean, I hate to engage in rosy retrospection, but I'm okay with lengthy delays if the final products are groundbreaking, timeless masterpieces.

Oh, gosh yes! I just think it's interesting because if that sort of timeline played out today, the Internet would be in an uproar about the failure. New Orleans Fail is what blogs and fans would call the new land. Until those groundbreaking rides actually opened, then we'd all shut up. 😶
Man. What a summer that must've been. If I were alive at the time, I'm not so sure I would've been drawn to the free love and hallucinogenics of the Haight-Ashbury; I probably would've been trying to get to Disneyland.

Agreed. By the time you got to August of '67, think what Disneyland had just opened in the past year; Small World, Mr. Lincoln, Primeval World, New Orleans Square, Pirates of the Caribbean, New Tomorrowland. With the exception of Haunted Mansion, Disneyland had just become the park that its entire modern reputation was based on. Incredible.
Love that ride. Worth the wait.

I've read articles that said the one year delay for Alice In Wonderland was purely economics. They just had to spread some of the costs out into a different fiscal year, so they went with Alice cause it was on the edge of the land.

This one is puzzling. I know the spinning vehicles were a novelty, but a whole year?

I'm not an expert on Toontown, but I seem to remember it was due to a combination of the same financial reasons as Alice In Wonderland and a desire by Marketing to stretch publicity out a bit before they could get Indy opened the following year. At least that's what people said in hindsight.

Haha. I appreciate your list. I'm spoiled, having grown up in an era when the major attractions of Islands of Adventure, Hogsmeade, Diagon Alley*, and Cars Land all opened on time.

* (Okay, I seem to remember Gringotts being slightly delayed a week or two, but it was pretty close)

They really nailed it in 2012. They opened Cars Land in full, plus opened Buena Vista Street in full. And that was after a quick succession of new rides and land overhauls in DCA for the previous three years. 2012 was the 21st century equivalent of 1967. It's going to be awhile until we see that sort of thing again, unfortunately. Bob Chapek is just so clueless with this stuff, it's painful. 😢
 

mharrington

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I think a year is enough time since a majority of the land appears to be staying intact or changing just slightly. With the whole land closed they can then work around the clock if needed to get things done.

If the concept art is to be believed, I'm pretty sure they're replacing Goofy's Gas Station with what looks like a market (it even clearly says "Market" over there if you look at the concept art closely enough). I'm going to assume that's the eatery for the place. And let's not forget also that we don't know what's going on with Donald and Goofy's residences or with Gadget's Go Coaster. They were (intentionally or not) vague on those things. Furthermore, they're removing the Jolly Trolley tracks and retheming it as what looks like a regular highway road (i.e., broken white lines). Those would certainly take a lot of time, I would think. Based on the concept art I've seen, they don't seem all that slight to me. Only the Runaway Railway structure appears to be coming together, and even that still has a long way to go, as it's just the exterior skeleton right now.
 

Disney Irish

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If the concept art is to be believed, I'm pretty sure they're replacing Goofy's Gas Station with what looks like a market (it even clearly says "Market" over there if you look at the concept art closely enough). I'm going to assume that's the eatery for the place. And let's not forget also that we don't know what's going on with Donald and Goofy's residences or with Gadget's Go Coaster. They were (intentionally or not) vague on those things. Furthermore, they're removing the Jolly Trolley tracks and retheming it as what looks like a regular highway road (i.e., broken white lines). Those would certainly take a lot of time, I would think. Based on the concept art I've seen, they don't seem all that slight to me. Only the Runaway Railway structure appears to be coming together, and even that still has a long way to go, as it's just the exterior skeleton right now.
A lot of Toontown is just facades and not actual buildings. So that stuff isn’t going to take long to retheme.

We’ll see what they do with Donald’s, Goofy’s, and Gadget.

As for MMRR you don’t know what is happening inside. You’re making an assumption that there is a lot of work left when there is no evidence of that. If other projects are any indication the exterior work to make the theater facade is an indication that it might be 3/4 of the way done.

Point is that a year is probably enough time to complete what is needed to complete the entire land. Again especially since they can work around the clock now if needed/
 

mharrington

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We’ll see what they do with Donald’s, Goofy’s, and Gadget.

Regardless of what they do, I'm sure they will be different than they are now, and that will in itself take time. After all, they did mention them being reimagined.

As for MMRR you don’t know what is happening inside. You’re making an assumption that there is a lot of work left when there is no evidence of that. If other projects are any indication the exterior work to make the theater facade is an indication that it might be 3/4 of the way done.

You're right, I don't know what's happening on the inside, but I was referring to the entrance facade.

Point is that a year is probably enough time to complete what is needed to complete the entire land. Again especially since they can work around the clock now if needed/

I hope they do work around the clock, because they're going to have to if they want to be finished by early next year. But as of late, there's no indication that it's happening. It closed last week, so I would assume that they would get started immediately. I don't believe there have been any new construction pics as of late, however (not that it would be easy to spot construction anyway, except maybe from the Disneyland Railroad).
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Regardless of what they do, I'm sure they will be different than they are now, and that will in itself take time. After all, they did mention them being reimagined.
Yes they very well could be different, but the overall bones will remain the same as they aren't demolishing them just retheming them. And since they are smaller attractions it won't take more than a year to complete.

You're right, I don't know what's happening on the inside, but I was referring to the entrance facade.
Facades go up quickly, and certainly isn't going to take a whole year to complete.

I hope they do work around the clock, because they're going to have to if they want to be finished by early next year. But as of late, there's no indication that it's happening. It closed last week, so I would assume that they would get started immediately. I don't believe there have been any new construction pics as of late, however (not that it would be easy to spot construction anyway, except maybe from the Disneyland Railroad).
Again I think a year is plenty of time given the scope of the work. They aren't demolishing the whole land and rebuilding it, as I mentioned before the bones of the land will remain intact just certain areas are being rethemed.

I know it seems like Disney takes forever on projects. But they have the ability to complete projects really quickly if they want to. It all depends on if they have the desire and how much money they want to spend to complete it in an accelerated time line.
 

chadwpalm

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In the Parks
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I hope they do work around the clock, because they're going to have to if they want to be finished by early next year. But as of late, there's no indication that it's happening. It closed last week, so I would assume that they would get started immediately. I don't believe there have been any new construction pics as of late, however (not that it would be easy to spot construction anyway, except maybe from the Disneyland Railroad).
Galaxy's Edge took 3 years to build and almost a year of that was demolition and grading before anything went vertical. They also had to add retaining walls and dig deep holes.

None of that is happening here. Most of the work is landscaping and reworking concrete/asphalt. Facade work is pretty quick because they fabricate most of that stuff off-site and bring it in. Most of the off-site work is probably already done. The MMRR building is done and as Disney Irish said, we don't know about the inside, but they've had a LOT of time to be working on that.

The only major structure is the entrance to MMRR and the framework is mostly done there. If they can build the entirety of GE in 2 years, they can do the restructuring of ToonTown in one year no problem......pending no major rains or storms, but this year is predicted to be pretty dry.
 

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