EPCOT Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

[Vinnie Mac]

I think the exit version would make a much better show. Throw in a bunch more fireworks (because I think Harm lacks fireworks greatly) and you’ve got a new show. Sad most people don’t even see the “after party”, as we call it Because they are too busy leaving.

HarmonioUS has has more fireworks than Illuminations.

 

[Thelazer]

They can. But this show had a rocky road to this point. Alarm bells are now ringing over this and a few other things.

Now if this is an attempt to justify the creation of the show, justify changing it or an honest check to see how bad things actually are time will tell. But this is one item of several that the higher ups are wanting answers about.

So it's JII / JIYI / JIYIFigment / X2... level bad then if the are doing that survey.

 

[monorail81]

HarmonioUS has has more fireworks than Illuminations.

Because of how much longer it is, it doesn’t seem like it. Too many gaps between the pyro sections.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

So... this was the view of the crowd levels tonight during Harmonious. Also pictured is the central barge, in which one side's arms are nor raising or moving. This show is currently, and always has been a disaster.

 

[aladdin2007]

Epcot will always have a nighttime show… no matter what they will keep Harmonius until they have another show ready to go… it is more important even then a Magic Kingdom night spectacular…need those ever important dinner dollars

And I think its hurting them now since this show took over, which I bet the third party participants can't be too happy. Not only from the ill conceived show, but the park reservation requirement as well. To add to the problem the loss of closed dining locations too.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

And I think its hurting them now since this show took over, which I bet the third party participants can't be too happy. Not only from the ill conceived show, but the park reservation requirement as well. To add to the problem the loss of closed dining locations too.

This was Spice Road Table mid-Harmonious.

 

[Vinnie Mac]

Because of how much longer it is, it doesn’t seem like it. Too many gaps between the pyro sections.

When defending Illuminations against HarmonioUS, "gaps between sections" is not a point that would work in your favor considering the fact that Illuminations has the longest period of a pyro less segment.

 

[alphac2005]

I am seeing more and more locals change their APs from Disney to UOAP.... Some are canceling their Disney APs to upgrade their UOAPs.

Another local here and I can vouch for seeing this as well.

 

[pdude81]

Another local here and I can vouch for seeing this as well.

It's an interesting phenomenon, but Disney may exporting their perceived margin issue somewhere else. Problem with that is that the cash tickets will follow when Epic Universe opens.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I am seeing more and more locals change their APs from Disney to UOAP.... Some are canceling their Disney APs to upgrade their UOAPs.

Disney is handing universal, sea world, and knotts piles of cash.

Universal Orlando is going all out with Holiday Events.

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

Disney is handing universal, sea world, and knotts piles of cash.

Universal Orlando is going all out with Holiday Events.

The Holiday events go above and beyond at Universal. Disney did this with Summer Nightastic / Frozen at DHS. TDL and DPL do it the best for seasonal offerings.

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

Just wanted to throw 2 last shots in here. EPCOT was so slammed that Frozen was 105 minutes, Land was 30, and Figment was 20...

It was a challenge to find an area this uncrowded during IROE or Epcot Forever.

 

[180º]

I expected Harmonious to be bad, but I never expected it to be unpopular. I’ll be interested to see if these anecdotal reports reflect in the survey that went out, or more importantly, merch and food sales! Then there may really be a case for re-working it.

 

[alphac2005]

It's an interesting phenomenon, but Disney may exporting their perceived margin issue somewhere else. Problem with that is that the cash tickets will follow when Epic Universe opens.

I agree. Epic Universe (along with the additional entertainment district and hotels) really has the chance to be pivot point for many to Universal from Disney. Non-locals might not know that Universal will be building a significant residential community for their team members as well, which will further entrench the resort within the community. Between the skyrocketing costs paired with declining quality, locals that aren’t theme park hardcore types know this is happening from friends and neighbors alone that work in the industry.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

I will be interested when Disney Imagineering starts moving here. I do think the on the ground messaging/sentiment here in Orlando is different than what may be translated to California. Disneyland has always had some benefit of being "down the road" vs. "across the country". That's all very much speculation and possibility - not probability - but it could be interesting to see any effect.

 

[Den Carter]

Watched Harmonious twice this week. First time I thought it was pretty bad, second I thought it was brilliant. It's sadly all about viewing spot. I think if you're not face-on to the Stargate you're not going to like this show. The other issue with the first viewing was that I was apparently in an audio dead zone, with no speakers close enough to carry the soundtrack. Agree with others that crowd levels for the show are low compared to I:RoF, despite the park feeling incredibly busy

 

[TheEPCOTHistorian]

So... is it too late to ask for Epcot Forever back? Use We Go On instead of Whole New World, put pavilion logos on the barges. Done.

 

[danv3]

So... is it too late to ask for Epcot Forever back? Use We Go On instead of Whole New World, put pavilion logos on the barges. Done.

This wouldn't be terrible, tbh.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Watched Harmonious twice this week. First time I thought it was pretty bad, second I thought it was brilliant. It's sadly all about viewing spot. I think if you're not face-on to the Stargate you're not going to like this show. The other issue with the first viewing was that I was apparently in an audio dead zone, with no speakers close enough to carry the soundtrack. Agree with others that crowd levels for the show are low compared to I:RoF, despite the park feeling incredibly busy

The fact that you need to be in a specific spot to enjoy the show should have been their first clue that this was a bad idea. Coupled with the fact that the show ruined the daytime view across the water because the barges can't be moved out of the way, there should have been alarms and flashing red lights going off long before they ever started building any of it.

 

[marni1971]

When defending Illuminations against HarmonioUS, "gaps between sections" is not a point that would work in your favor

Very true.

There’s plenty of much better points.