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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Recent polls tend to be relatively accurate to within a few percentage points.

The problem is that this nation is so evenly divided, that even a swing of 4% (the typical margin of error) can make a huge difference in election results.

So then the narrative becomes “polls are inaccurate” even though the results were within the margin of error.
As pointed out above…issue polling is far less trustworthy than campaign polling

And the latter isn’t all that reliable either…

If you miss a national election by 4%…it would be more than 6,000,000 votes…

Or Wisconsin…in practical terms
 

ParentsOf4

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The message boards are terrible for discussing anything nuanced. People can generally support a politician, but disagree strongly with some of his actions. People can generally support Disney's current direction with content, but disagree with certain actions or programming.

I consider myself pretty liberal on social issues, but there was a Disney+ video posted in another thread that I found inaccurate, divisive and age-inappropriate for the intended audience. That doesn't mean I no longer support Disney's trend toward diversity and inclusiveness. It means someone, in my opinion, exercised bad judgment with that particular content.
Sadly, the majority of adults are not nuanced. They believe what they believe and no amount of reasoned discussion is going to change their minds.

We are stuck in a state of confirmation bias. We only listen to those who already agree with us.

My alma mater was in the news a while ago for shutting down a speaker they disagreed with before the event even started. These are supposed to be among the most brilliant legal minds of the next generation, yet they refuse to let someone with a different viewpoint speak.

Nowadays, if you disagree with me, you’re either “homophobic” or “woke” or, at best, ill-informed. It immediately jumps to name calling. It’s a return to United States 19th century politics.

Look at how many on this thread immediately attacked the poll as flawed, rather than objectively reflect on what it might mean.

DeSantis and Disney are both taking casualties. The only way to end the casualties is to end the war.
 
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LittleBuford

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Polls are only as good as the way the questions are phrased.
Here is the question asked by this particular poll:

ESG5 Florida governor Ron DeSantis has tried to limit Disney's autonomy in Florida by appointing an oversight board and threatening to remove its special tax status. DeSantis' actions are widely considered a response to Disney's opposition to the legislation that DeSantis signed in 2022 that prohibited elementary school classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity. Do you support or oppose DeSantis' actions?​

 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Sadly, the majority of adults are not nuanced. They believe what they believe and no amount of reasoned discussion is going to change their minds.

We are stuck in a state of confirmation bias. We only listen to those who already agree with us.

My alma mater was in the news a while ago about shutting down a speaker they disagreed with before the event even started. These are supposed to be among the most brilliant legal minds of the next generation, yet they refuse to let someone with a different viewpoint speak.

Nowadays, if you disagree with me, you’re either “homophonic” or “woke” or, at best, ill-informed. It immediately jumps to name calling. It’s a return to United States 19th century politics.

Look at how many on this thread immediately attacked the poll as flawed, rather than objectively reflect on what it might mean.

DeSantis and Disney are both taking casualties. The only way to end the casualties is to end the war.
Stanford?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Here is the question asked by this particular poll:

ESG5 Florida governor Ron DeSantis has tried to limit Disney's autonomy in Florida by appointing an oversight board and threatening to remove its special tax status. DeSantis' actions are widely considered a response to Disney's opposition to the legislation that DeSantis signed in 2022 that prohibited elementary school classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity. Do you support or oppose DeSantis' actions?​

Jesus…that question is skewed off the jump.

The first two lines are designed to imply that Disney is a self ruling tax cheat…
…which has nothing to do with the history of RCID at all.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I agree the question sets the respondent up to look sympathetically on DeSantis and suspiciously on Disney. I don’t think this is intentional—one could argue that the wording is all literally true, even if misleading—but it’s unfortunate and concerning nonetheless.
That's what I said ;). "[T]he question sets the respondent up to look sympathetically on DeSantis and suspiciously on Disney" equals "Yeah, that poll is crap."
 

James Alucobond

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I agree the question sets the respondent up to look sympathetically on DeSantis and suspiciously on Disney. I don’t think this is intentional—one could argue that the wording is all literally true, even if misleading—but it’s unfortunate and concerning nonetheless.
If it's not intentional, it's at least incompetent. It ties a lot of disparate issues together in a single question. It asks if you support DeSantis' actions, but it does not specify which actions. For instance, one might support the legislation on discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity without necessarily understanding or agreeing with the rest of the statement, but because it's the last thing mentioned before the question of support/oppose, it could very easily be the part that respondents tie their answer to.
 

Vacationeer

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
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Here is the question asked by this particular poll:

ESG5 Florida governor Ron DeSantis has tried to limit Disney's autonomy in Florida by appointing an oversight board and threatening to remove its special tax status. DeSantis' actions are widely considered a response to Disney's opposition to the legislation that DeSantis signed in 2022 that prohibited elementary school classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity. Do you support or oppose DeSantis' actions?​

Wow that was a very long survey. I found the pages in the 50s interesting. And pg55 is interesting… out of all the names and groups, Amazon came out on top for being favorable 🤣


Disney does not come up until page 182 out of 206.
 

Brian

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From Newsweek:

Democrats' 'Surprising' Support of Ron DeSantis in Disney Feud

In a nutshell:

"According to the poll, a majority of Democrats said that they opposed DeSantis's position, but 42 percent said they supported it. Overall, the poll found 56 percent of respondents saying they supported DeSantis on this issue and 44 percent disagreed."
I came here to post this poll, but I see it has already been dismissed by most out of hand. Meanwhile internal polling Len Testa cited showing DeSantis/legislature are not polling well was not questioned. I mean zero offense to Len, and my intention is not to cast doubt on his information; just pointing out the discrepancy in the reaction to the two differing polls by most.

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lazyboy97o

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I came here to post this poll, but I see it has already been dismissed by most out of hand. Meanwhile internal polling Len Testa cited showing DeSantis/legislature are not polling well was not questioned. I mean zero offense to Len, and my intention is not to cast doubt on his information; just pointing out the discrepancy in the reaction to the two differing polls by most.

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One is something that can be seen and discussed. The other is not.
 

James Alucobond

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I came here to post this poll, but I see it has already been dismissed by most out of hand. Meanwhile internal polling Len Testa cited showing DeSantis/legislature are not polling well was not questioned. I mean zero offense to Len, and my intention is not to cast doubt on his information; just pointing out the discrepancy in the reaction to the two differing polls by most.

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Again, it ties together too many issues. I don't doubt that many people support many things DeSantis does, but you can't throw three things DeSantis did into one question and then give a binary support/oppose response.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
From Newsweek:

Democrats' 'Surprising' Support of Ron DeSantis in Disney Feud

In a nutshell:

"According to the poll, a majority of Democrats said that they opposed DeSantis's position, but 42 percent said they supported it. Overall, the poll found 56 percent of respondents saying they supported DeSantis on this issue and 44 percent disagreed."
It’s all in how you word a poll:

The poll, conducted by Harvard CAPS-Harris, asked respondents how they felt about DeSantis appointing a special oversight board that will oversee the Disney district and removes its self-governing status.

The results make perfect sense based on the wording. Most people have little actual information about the situation. The headlines they may have seen talk of DeSantis wanting to close a tax loophole and make sure Disney pays its fair share of taxes. We all know that’s not remotely true, but if someone just reads the headlines and they definitely do not. Most people don’t like corporations getting tax breaks and if you combine those headlines with the wording of the poll question it’s not hard to understand the results.

This is probably the reason that Disney has upped their PR game too with websites and I’m sure we will see more news stories now that are prompted by Disney. They are trying to get the truth out there on taxes and on their contribution to the state and also what the district was, why it was created and how it actually worked. All stuff the average American doesn‘t know.

Anyone seeing this and thinking that it means people actually support DeSantis are kidding themselves.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Are you suggesting the majority of adults in America want the government to retaliate against businesses for standing up for the rights of their employees!?

I certainly hope not.
No they definitely do not. I imagine if the poll was worded to say “do you support Governor DeSantis seizing control of a local government entity to punish Disney for speaking out against a bill he supported” the yes voted would be about very small. It’s all in how you word a question. The poll question actually asked was definitely skewed.

IMHO you just ask the question without color to get true feedback. Do you support Governor DeSantis’s actions in his feud with Disney. Yes or no. Asking it the way I proposed above is going to get skewed responses. So did the poll conducted which was slanted the other way.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I’m not sure why these results are viewed as “surprising.“ They’re in line with his re-election results, which happened after he picked this very visible fight with Disney and signaled his intention to do away with RCID.
I thought it was a national poll. Was it just FL voters polled?
 

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