News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Why add commentary at all unless your goal is to get a certain response? Wouldn’t a more fair question simply be “do you support Governor DeSantis in his feud with Disney. Yes, no or I am unaware of the dispute“.

I think it would have to be even more vague than that, mentioning DeSantis by name will skew the results.

I don’t envy pollsters because coming up with a truly nonpartisan question is nearly impossible in such a divided country.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Going back to RCID...I know I should know this, but which organization provides on-site medical services to guests in the parks? Like, if I slip on a churro in Animal Kingdom and need medical attention, is the RCID EMS the first responders?

Yes, Reedy Creek Emergency Services handles medical as well as fire first response services.

If Universal gets their community development district they could establish their own Shingle Creek Emergency Services to serve Epic Universe and any other landowners who decide to join.

 

[lazyboy97o]

There are plenty of traditional Democrats who were uncomfortable with the RCID arrangement before recent events.

Not all traditional Democrats were (or are) comfortable with Disney’s arrangement.

As we’ve seen repeatedly, many didn’t actually understand the arrangement. A good many are issues with Florida, not the specific one situation.

 

[GoofGoof]

I think it would have to be even more vague than that, mentioning DeSantis by name will skew the results.

I don’t envy pollsters because coming up with a truly nonpartisan question is nearly impossible in such a divided country.

I guess we can agree to disagree. It’s a political poll so they can’t leave the Governor’s name out.

All I’m saying is based on how you frame the dispute between DeSantis and Disney you will get a different response. If you don’t frame it at all then people will respond based on what they personally know. I‘d be curious how many would respond not aware of the dispute or not sure or whatever third option you give. I imagine quite a few of the people polled probably know very little of the details which is why the framing of the dispute matters.

 

[Brian]

I guess we can agree to disagree. It’s a political poll so they can’t leave the Governor’s name out.

All I’m saying is based on how you frame the dispute between DeSantis and Disney you will get a different response. If you don’t frame it at all then people will respond based on what they personally know. I‘d be curious how many would respond not aware of the dispute or not sure or whatever third option you give. I imagine quite a few of the people polled probably know very little of the details which is why the framing of the dispute matters.

I believe this was a national poll, and unless you follow politics daily, you're almost certainly not going to be aware of an inconsequential (for the average American) feud between Florida and Disney.

 

[GoofGoof]

I believe this was a national poll, and unless you follow politics daily, you're almost certainly not going to be aware of an inconsequential (for the average American) feud between Florida and Disney.

Exactly. My guess is the majority of those polled would pick answer 3 (not sure or unknown). Once you introduce bias into the design of the question it’s impossible to know whether the person is responding based on actual knowledge of the situation or based on how you framed the situation. So as I said I could write the question differently and get a very different answer. That’s not to say it’s completely useless information, but it is flawed based on how the question was asked.

 

[mkt]

There are plenty of traditional Democrats who were uncomfortable with the RCID arrangement before recent events.

Not all traditional Democrats were (or are) comfortable with Disney’s arrangement.

There also are traditional Democrats who don’t think it’s good for the country for powerful for-profit corporations to have First Amendment rights on par with ordinary people.

These political beliefs predate recent events.

You're completely right on all of this. And if the elimination of RCID were done in a different manner and for different reasons, I wouldn't be opposed to this.

However, I don't view it in that regard: I view it as punishment for expressing a viewpoint that is different to those in power. And if Disney, an iconic multibillion dollar corporation that's a household name is being given the ringer, what chance do I have if they decide to suppress free speech in Florida?

 

[tissandtully]

Exactly. My guess is the majority of those polled would pick answer 3 (not sure or unknown). Once you introduce bias into the design of the question it’s impossible to know whether the person is responding based on actual knowledge of the situation or based on how you framed the situation. So as I said I could write the question differently and get a very different answer. That’s not to say it’s completely useless information, but it is flawed based on how the question was asked.

I actually decline to participate in polls where I don’t know all the facts of the questions are phrased poorly.

 

[tissandtully]

You're completely right on all of this. And if the elimination of RCID were done in a different manner and for different reasons, I wouldn't be opposed to this.

However, I don't view it in that regard: I view it as punishment for expressing a viewpoint that is different to those in power. And if Disney, an iconic multibillion dollar corporation that's a household name is being given the ringer, what chance do I have?

And if all the other special districts were dissolved too.

 

[mkt]

And if all the other special districts were dissolved too.

Not all. Some are genuinely beneficial, or serve a purposes that neither state nor local governments want to handle.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It does though. The language was literally "do you support or oppose DeSantis' actions?"

Based on an alleged "special tax status" that suggests Disney was receiving a tax break not available to anyone else. If the question has the facts wrong, then the result is useless.

 

[tissandtully]

Not all. Some are genuinely beneficial, or serve a purposes that neither state nor local governments want to handle.

But this was about getting special treatment, then it should be evenly applied is all I’m saying.

 

[GoofGoof]

And if all the other special districts were dissolved too.

The irony is that special tax districts were never designed as a way to avoid taxes for anyone. In relation to taxes if they have taxing authority it’s always in addition to traditional local property taxes not instead of. So dissolving all special districts would result in just about every landowner in the state paying more in property taxes and then some getting a reduction due to no longer paying into a special district.

 

[tissandtully]

Based on an alleged "special tax status" that suggests Disney was receiving a tax break not available to anyone else. If the question has the facts wrong, then the result is useless.

Stop with the nuance!

 

[GoofGoof]

Stop with the nuance!

Yeah if you see an issue with the wording you are just politically biased. Its a perfectly worded poll question

 

[tissandtully]

The irony is that special tax districts were never designed as a way to avoid taxes for anyone. In relation to taxes if they have taxing authority it’s always in addition to traditional local property taxes not instead of. So dissolving all special districts would result in just about every landowner in the state paying more in property taxes and then some getting a reduction due to no longer paying into a special district.

Right I know, I mean if the complaint was it wasn’t a level playing field all new rules should apply to all of them. Not targeted to a specific one for political gain and I think we’re back at the beginning of the thread lol.

 

[mkt]

But this was about getting special treatment, then it should be evenly applied is all I’m saying.

Not all special districts are about special treatment. Many are to there to deal with a specialized issue (water management) or to incentivize public infrastructure (libraries).

RCID was unique, and I agree, it needed to go. But not this way, and not as punishment for a public disagreement.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

What I am saying though - is if you really read that question - word for word, line by line, I can't find a partisan bit in it. It's almost like a 1970's journalist wrote it. We have become so used to everything politicized in every word we read, I think it may be hard to recognize a truly unbiased question.

You don't think "special tax status" is misleading?

 

[Lilofan]

Going back to RCID...I know I should know this, but which organization provides on-site medical services to guests in the parks? Like, if I slip on a churro in Animal Kingdom and need medical attention, is the RCID EMS the first responders?

And a free hospital ride to Celebration Health. Average cost in my area to the hospital -$2K.

 

[LittleBuford]

If it's not intentional, it's at least incompetent. It ties a lot of disparate issues together in a single question. It asks if you support DeSantis' actions, but it does not specify which actions. For instance, one might support the legislation on discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity without necessarily understanding or agreeing with the rest of the statement, but because it's the last thing mentioned before the question of support/oppose, it could very easily be the part that respondents tie their answer to.

I agree. It is a poorly worded question that isn’t likely to yield the best results.

Full disclosure: in my student days, I worked part time for a major opinion-poll company. Not all the questions were as clearly or well phrased as they should have been (which was something I had no control over), but our intention was always to gather the most reliable data possible. Contrary to popular opinion, polling companies—legitimate ones at least—have absolutely no interest in skewing the data one way or the other. The businesses and organisations that sponsor such polls are looking for information that is accurate and usable.