News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They at some point wanted Osceola Parkway to go through property and connect to 429. The main driveway of the hotel is a 4 lane divided highway that randomly drops down to 2 undivided lanes past the old guest entrance specifically because it was meant to connect through. Kidani was the afterthought.

They changed plans when they bought the land for Flamingo Crossings and decided to build Western Way instead.

This was detailed in one of the great Carl Hiassen’s books…team rodent

Basically…they built DAKL on the only cost effective plot that Osceola parkway could have been extended to 27…making it a semi-effective thruway.

So that road is useless. But in the 90’s…Disney strong armed the locals much more than they could now.

Lack of comparative investment and changing local politics will do that

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Probably not wise for the legislature to pass a clearly unconstitutional bill in order to void a contract they are already convinced is null and void.

^^^THIS

But they’re just tossing out ANY past blocks that forbid them from doing this. That’s what we have seen to this point.

Any doubt puffy Napoleon is going to stay in the governors mansion until something better comes along at this point?
I have none.

I get such a kick out of all the media headlines that proclaim words to the effect of “DeSantis to void the Disney agreement,” as if he or any government body can simply declare a contract void. What the headlines should say is “DeSantis to exhibit more false bravado and claim Disney agreement is void, only to set himself up to suffer yet another embarrassing defeat.”

The problem is that “normalcy” would have dictated that this would have gone nowhere from the start.

And we’re already at like…”step 5”

…there have been no safeguards to this point that we assume were there. It’s political Mayhem that is actively trying to mess with Disneys bottomline.
And since - let’s not BS - they are the biggest dog in the state…it’s potentially disastrous to the counties, Orlando and Florida itself.

In pop culture terms…it’s like some new punk picking a fight with yoda cause he doesn’t know any better…

…I wouldn’t.

 

[ParentsOf4]

From Newsweek:

Democrats' 'Surprising' Support of Ron DeSantis in Disney Feud

In a nutshell:

"According to the poll, a majority of Democrats said that they opposed DeSantis's position, but 42 percent said they supported it. Overall, the poll found 56 percent of respondents saying they supported DeSantis on this issue and 44 percent disagreed."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

From Newsweek:

Democrats' 'Surprising' Support of Ron DeSantis in Disney Feud

In a nutshell:

"According to the poll, a majority of Democrats said that they opposed DeSantis's position, but 42 percent said they supported it. Overall, the poll found 56 percent of respondents saying they supported DeSantis on this issue and 44 percent disagreed."

Newsweek

 

[ParentsOf4]

…yeah…even still…

Newsweek was one of the most trusted journals…when print was key

They are a fringe kinda weirdo clickbait thing now.

Just saying

As much as Republicans used to be pro-business, Democrats historically have believed in strong government oversight of private businesses. I think the poll reflects a mix of traditional Democrat/Republican values for some, and how those values have evolved for others.

Similarly, private businesses used to be among the most conservative organizations within the United States, headed by a bunch of middle-aged white guys with "traditional" values. (Try to imagine where Walt Disney would have stood on this.) Not anymore.

Things change.

 

[GimpYancIent]

…yeah…even still…

Newsweek was one of the most trusted journals…when print was key

They are a fringe kinda weirdo clickbait thing now.

Just saying

Two things. Yes, once upon a time, many years ago Newsweek was a reliable and trusted news journal. Those days are history. The other is, regardless of the title, heading, name etc. of the organization conducting a poll, polls have historically (specially in recent history) proven to be wrong and misleading. To get any reasonable idea of the truth multiple and varied sources need to be looked at / read.

 

[danlb_2000]

“It’s time for Disney executives to have a sober conversation and retake the company from the woke ideologues who hijacked it.

You’re in the business of entertaining families*, not promoting radical ideologies.

If you think you are, I have news: Florida is where woke goes to die.”

I hope a judge would not minimize this.

* only if your family fits our narrow view of what a family should look like.

 

[danlb_2000]

From Newsweek:

Democrats' 'Surprising' Support of Ron DeSantis in Disney Feud

In a nutshell:

"According to the poll, a majority of Democrats said that they opposed DeSantis's position, but 42 percent said they supported it. Overall, the poll found 56 percent of respondents saying they supported DeSantis on this issue and 44 percent disagreed."

How many of those respondents actually understand the situation?

 

[Sir_Cliff]

As much as Republicans used to be pro-business, Democrats historically have believed in strong government oversight of private businesses. I think the poll reflects a mix of traditional Democrat/Republican values for some, and how those values have evolved for others.

Similarly, private businesses used to be among the most conservative organizations within the United States, headed by a bunch of middle-aged white guys with "traditional" values. (Try to imagine where Walt Disney would have stood on this.) Not anymore.

Things change.

I think there's something to this when it comes to Democrats potentially feeling that, whether they support the reason behind it or not, they don't want Disney to have "special privileges".

This may point further to the lack of wisdom in Disney's decision to lie low, not say anything publicly, and try to outmanoeuvre DeSantis. Essentially, virtually the only narrative that has been out there about RCID is that Disney was getting some kind of massive tax break and allowed to self-govern, and Disney never tried to counter that despite the fact it wasn't true.

I do also suspect, as one commentator in the article suggests, this poll doesn't quite capture how this will play out politically. But, we shall see.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can someone speak on how this would look in a lawsuit regarding intention of the governor:

Carolina Amesty - Florida State Representative - Windermere
April 17, 2023. Gov. DeSantis press conference WDW

“It’s time for Disney executives to have a sober conversation and retake the company from the woke ideologues who hijacked it.

You’re in the business of entertaining families, not promoting radical ideologies.

If you think you are, I have news: Florida is where woke goes to die.”

I hope a judge would not minimize this.

…there’s abjectly stupid…
…and then there’s “this”


…it’s one thing to say Disney’s market research is not the best tactic…but it’s quite another to say they aren’t capable of doing it altogether.

…like it or not…to say that TWDC is incapable of collecting market data and formulate a business plan based on it may be the dumbest political “stance” ever.


It’s mental failure.

Par for the course in the orange groves these days…it seems?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

How many of those respondents actually understand the situation?

It doesn't really matter though, does it?

An ignorant person's vote counts just as much as an informed person's vote. And their money is just as green.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think there's something to this when it comes to Democrats potentially feeling that, whether they support the reason behind it or not, they don't want Disney to have "special privileges".

This may point further to the lack of wisdom in Disney's decision to lie low, not say anything publicly, and try to outmanoeuvre DeSantis. Essentially, virtually the only narrative that has been out there about RCID is that Disney was getting some kind of massive tax break and allowed to self-govern, and Disney never tried to counter that despite the fact it wasn't true.

I do also suspect, as one commentator in the article suggests, this poll doesn't quite capture how this will play out politically. But, we shall see.

It seems clear that the Iger directed gang of JDs “laid low” specifically to outmaneuver the state with the contract agreements

…if they didn’t have that card to play, they would have likely flooded the airwaves and raised holy hell…
…would have won too.

Who are they scared of? The MAGERS?
Their numbers dwindle everyday

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It doesn't really matter though, does it?

An ignorant person's vote counts just as much as an informed person's vote. And their money is just as green.

As usual…you’re overestimating how “50/50” the country actually is…

It’s not close and the gap widens everyday day because of clown shenanigans such as this…

Have you been watching the “other” hot button issue that has been in the news that the supremes all but killed last night?

It’s up to 68% of REPUBLICANS are changing course after Sammy messed with it last June…
They messed with the bull and now they’re getting the horns

This reedy creek thing is gonna head that way as well. Best move is for Florida to back off and let it go back to status quo. Money and careers at stake.

 

[mikejs78]

It doesn't really matter though, does it?

An ignorant person's vote counts just as much as an informed person's vote. And their money is just as green.

The poll was of adults, not likely voters or even registered voters. Inherently unreliable.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The poll was of adults, not likely voters or even registered voters. Inherently unreliable.

Adults polls skew left of LV polls. They're unreliable, but the error is always in the same direction. So the effect captured here is likely even more severe among LVs.

 

[Tha Realest]

Adults polls skew left of LV polls. They're unreliable, but the error is always in the same direction. So the effect captured here is likely even more severe among LVs.

I’m not sure why these results are viewed as “surprising.“ They’re in line with his re-election results, which happened after he picked this very visible fight with Disney and signaled his intention to do away with RCID.

 

[mikejs78]

Adults polls skew left of LV polls. They're unreliable, but the error is always in the same direction. So the effect captured here is likely even more severe among LVs.

I dont think that tells the whole story here. This isn't purely left vs right. Another axis that is different between LVs and Adults is education level. That could also skew things differently here.

 

[Vacationeer]

The poll may be reflecting general negativity about Disney’s greed from many news stories last year. People who don’t know what is going here specifically but reacting to ‘big greedy company’. How many people outside Florida have followed the RCID story?

 

[flyakite]

Orlando Sentinel today:

NOTICE OF MEETING
AMENDED NOTICE - LOCATION CHANGE OF MEETING OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
YOU WILL PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on April 26 th at 9:30 a.m., or as soon thereafter as practicable, the Board of Supervisors of the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District will meet in regular session at The Wyndham Hotel (Horizons ballroom) 1850 Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Lake Buena Vista, Florida. At that time and in addition to other business on the agenda, the Board of Supervisors will conduct a reading and public hearing on and consider for adoption Resolution No. 640. A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE CENTRAL FLORIDA TOURIST OVERSIGHT DISTRICT ADOPTING REGULATIONS PROHIBITING COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS AND MANDATES BY BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DISTRICT UPON THEIR CUSTOMERS OR PATRONS AND PROHIBITING COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS AND MANDATES REGARDING THE SERVICES AND OPERATIONS OF THE CENTRAL FLORIDA TOURIST OVERSIGHT DISTRICT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Interested parties may appear at the public meeting and hearing to be heard with respect to the proposed resolutions. If a person decides to appeal any decision made by the Board of Supervisors with respect to any matter considered at such meeting or hearing, he or she will need a record of the proceedings, and that, for such purpose, he or she may need to ensure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based.

 

[Patcheslee]

How much money does Disney spend in Florida on film production and would HB7073 (filed yesterday) mess with them? Has to do with eliminating tax exemptions in the film industry.