News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mf1972]

LOTS of FUN and INTERESTING commentary this weekend.

if i were a mod here & lived locally, i would be justified to hit up epcot for a drinking around the world binge. they have my sympathy.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

You’re embarrassing yourself.

It's one of those cases where I'm reading the posts and seriously wondering if the poster is drunk.

 

[GoofGoof]

It's one of those cases where I'm reading the posts and seriously wondering if the poster is drunk.

He said he was sitting at the beach at the poly so hopefully several adult dole whips and/or tiki drinks in

 

[Riviera Rita]

Tampa Bay Times adding fuel to the fire now.

Gov. DeSantisâ ridiculous fight against Disney | Editorial

Governor should drop his retaliation campaign and focus on Florida’s real needs

www.tampabay.com

Unfortunately because Ron has been so open about his motives he cannot claim to have been misunderstood when editorials like this come out. He will be exposed for the foolish man that he is.

 

[Patcheslee]

If anyone has better insight: HB9B that created the CFTOD stripped it of the right to collect tolls. Can that be amended to allow tolls to be collected, if so did the Development Agreement cover that possibility?

 

[wdwmagic]

Reminder.

Personal attacks, trolling etc. All will result in being banned from the thread.

 

[GoofGoof]

If anyone has better insight: HB9B that created the CFTOD stripped it of the right to collect tolls. Can that be amended to allow tolls to be collected, if so did the Development Agreement cover that possibility?

Not sure about the development agreement, but someone posted earlier that the bill that created the new board allows the district to transfer ownership of roads to FDOT and then FDOT could add the toll so collected by the state not the district. That would avoid the district collecting a toll which would ultimately just reduces Disney’s tax bill. I believe it was also posted that the state must use the toll money to repair and maintain the roads first and anything left would go to the county where the road is.

 

[tissandtully]

Not sure about the development agreement, but someone posted earlier that the bill that created the new board allows the district to transfer ownership of roads to FDOT and then FDOT could add the toll so collected by the state not the district. That would avoid the district collecting a toll which would ultimately just reduces Disney’s tax bill. I believe pit was also posted that the state must use the toll money to repair and maintain the roads first and anything left would go to the county where the road is.

Sounds like a win for Disney haha

 

[GoofGoof]

Sounds like a win for Disney haha

Yeah. Disney would lose control of road maintenance for the roads turned over, but they would also lose the requirement to pay for the road maintenance. Take that Mouse….we are going to punish you by taking over paying for maintenance on the roads your business uses

 

[Tha Realest]

Yeah. Disney would lose control of road maintenance for the roads turned over, but they would also lose the requirement to pay for the road maintenance. Take that Mouse….we are going to punish you by taking over paying for maintenance on the roads your business uses

There’s a lot of potential for mischief. Like, say, if road maintenance started taking place annually during March

 

[lazyboy97o]

If anyone has better insight: HB9B that created the CFTOD stripped it of the right to collect tolls. Can that be amended to allow tolls to be collected, if so did the Development Agreement cover that possibility?

It also gave them the option of handing the roads over to the state. But yes, it could be amended. The stated intent is to void the agreements, so I don’t think they can be factored into what will be attempted.

Tolls though are something that would take time in order to implement as all of the infrastructure would have to be built. They need things that can have a more immediate impact. Extra hotel taxes seems like something that could more easily be rushed and while it charges customers it makes Disney more expensive compared to alternatives. Parking fees at the Disney Springs garages seems like another. The District and the state can ignore the agreements and force Disney to act to enforce them.

 

[GoofGoof]

On the topic of tolls, since the parking garages at Disney Springs were built by RCID can they add a parking fee there too? Would go back to the district and ultimately be a tax break for Disney but could be viewed as a way to punish Disney customers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not sure about the development agreement, but someone posted earlier that the bill that created the new board allows the district to transfer ownership of roads to FDOT and then FDOT could add the toll so collected by the state not the district. That would avoid the district collecting a toll which would ultimately just reduces Disney’s tax bill. I believe it was also posted that the state must use the toll money to repair and maintain the roads first and anything left would go to the county where the road is.

It wouldn’t really reduce the tax burden. The District could still collect those taxes.

 

[Eric Graham]

I've heard that Desantis is pretty upset and wants to enact toll roads all through Disney.

 

[lentesta]

Maybe @lentesta could weigh in on this?

The recent agreement prohibits all kinds of housing construction:

 

[Lilofan]

I've heard that Desantis is pretty upset and wants to enact toll roads all through Disney.

Besides retaliation toll roads also taxing Disney hotels, looking like my future vacations are going to get more expensive.

 

[LAKid53]

If anyone has better insight: HB9B that created the CFTOD stripped it of the right to collect tolls. Can that be amended to allow tolls to be collected, if so did the Development Agreement cover that possibility?

I'm sure the legislation can be amended.

 

[lazyboy97o]

On the topic of tolls, since the parking garages at Disney Springs were built by RCID can they add a parking fee there too? Would go back to the district and ultimately be a tax break for Disney but could be viewed as a way to punish Disney customers.

It again comes down to a willingness to simply ignore the agreements. The garages were not designed for you it, but you could send a team of people out with mobile card readers like a Chick-Fil-A drive thru. It’d probably cause chaos, chaos people would blame on Disney. It’d also require Disney to go to court to get stopped. Is a small parking fee an imminent, irreparable harm that would justify an injunction?

 

[LAKid53]

Yeah. Disney would lose control of road maintenance for the roads turned over, but they would also lose the requirement to pay for the road maintenance. Take that Mouse….we are going to punish you by taking over paying for maintenance on the roads your business uses

Except FDOT isn't the best at maintaining roads....

 

[LAKid53]

Not sure about the development agreement, but someone posted earlier that the bill that created the new board allows the district to transfer ownership of roads to FDOT and then FDOT could add the toll so collected by the state not the district. That would avoid the district collecting a toll which would ultimately just reduces Disney’s tax bill. I believe it was also posted that the state must use the toll money to repair and maintain the roads first and anything left would go to the county where the road is.

That's what the statute says. However, as witnessed by the upgrading to the toll plaza on the Turnpike near Clermont, that's going to be a long and messy project. Not what you want at the most visited place on the planet.