News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

lazyboy97o

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The law in many places is moving in that direction. New legislation in Florida encourages this very thing:

This supersedes local rules and gives automatic approval to projects meeting certain requirements. It doesn’t negate zoning. It doesn’t require affordable housing in any projects.
 

maxairmike

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It again comes down to a willingness to simply ignore the agreements. The garages were not designed for you it, but you could send a team of people out with mobile card readers like a Chick-Fil-A drive thru. It’d probably cause chaos, chaos people would blame on Disney. It’d also require Disney to go to court to get stopped. Is a small parking fee an imminent, irreparable harm that would justify an injunction?

The chaos and grief would be a bit of pyrrhic victory for DeSantis, I think. Everyone would initially be mad at and blame Disney and DeSantis might make a little hay off of it (I created jobs!), but Disney would likely have the facts out in the media and sentiment would likely turn after a few days. If it doesn’t turn hard enough, though, and cause enough of a pushback forcing it to stop it would absolutely be worth seeking an injunction. And it would still give him a “victory” that he can point to, in making Disney waste time and resources in fighting that. Remember, we’re not (IMO) dealing with a rational actor at this point.

Honestly, my biggest concern (while acknowledging that it’s almost out of the realm of possibility) is if DeSantis/the board get really desperate for anything to look like a win and do something very dumb and drastic like close off a handful or more of the roads into property, likely with some obviously fake yet “plausible” reason, wreaking havoc on local traffic. I just hope that he doesn’t remember that the CMs pushed the company to respond and decide to take actions that harm them the most (I believe tolls and road closures would do that very effectively). It just seems like the easiest, least effort way to a “win” for him, which he and his board seems desperate to have.

Speaking of the board, I know it was brought up earlier this week or last, but did anyone actually find legislative approval of the board members yet? If there’s no official notice of their approval by the state Senate by the end of the current session, could Disney have them unseated? I know that it would just result in a scrambled special session to affirm and reappoint them, but would be yet another egg in his face that would be entertaining.
 

Smiley/OCD

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That's what the statute says. However, as witnessed by the upgrading to the toll plaza on the Turnpike near Clermont, that's going to be a long and messy project. Not what you want at the most visited place on the planet.
They wouldn’t build traditional toll plazas…overhead poles with transponders and cameras. E-Z Pass and/or pay by license plate and that’s the extent.
 

Sir_Cliff

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The chaos and grief would be a bit of pyrrhic victory for DeSantis, I think. Everyone would initially be mad at and blame Disney and DeSantis might make a little hay off of it (I created jobs!), but Disney would likely have the facts out in the media and sentiment would likely turn after a few days. If it doesn’t turn hard enough, though, and cause enough of a pushback forcing it to stop it would absolutely be worth seeking an injunction. And it would still give him a “victory” that he can point to, in making Disney waste time and resources in fighting that. Remember, we’re not (IMO) dealing with a rational actor at this point.
Yes, I think this is another sign DeSantis may not be such a great political strategist. While visiting Disney World is not a regular concern for the vast majority of people, toll roads or other mechanisms designed to make life difficult for people to visit Disney World going up around the resort would no doubt be national (and international) news. So, too, would a new "Disney tax" on rooms at Walt Disney World hotels, in both cases to punish the company (and by extension its customers) for disagreeing with the governor on policy. The picture it presents of a very thin-skinned man and the future of country under his rule is not exactly appealing, wherever people may stand on the issue that sparked the disagreement.

The problem now is that he has backed himself into a corner and, again, doesn't actually seem that great a political strategist whose only gear seems to be a need to win at all costs. Just as he threw out the idea of dissolving RCID without even knowing what it was, he's now throwing out all sorts of weird ideas that you can only hope come up against some reality check when people start considering how they would work in practice.
 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
The chaos and grief would be a bit of pyrrhic victory for DeSantis, I think. Everyone would initially be mad at and blame Disney and DeSantis might make a little hay off of it (I created jobs!), but Disney would likely have the facts out in the media and sentiment would likely turn after a few days. If it doesn’t turn hard enough, though, and cause enough of a pushback forcing it to stop it would absolutely be worth seeking an injunction. And it would still give him a “victory” that he can point to, in making Disney waste time and resources in fighting that. Remember, we’re not (IMO) dealing with a rational actor at this point.

Honestly, my biggest concern (while acknowledging that it’s almost out of the realm of possibility) is if DeSantis/the board get really desperate for anything to look like a win and do something very dumb and drastic like close off a handful or more of the roads into property, likely with some obviously fake yet “plausible” reason, wreaking havoc on local traffic. I just hope that he doesn’t remember that the CMs pushed the company to respond and decide to take actions that harm them the most (I believe tolls and road closures would do that very effectively). It just seems like the easiest, least effort way to a “win” for him, which he and his board seems desperate to have.

Speaking of the board, I know it was brought up earlier this week or last, but did anyone actually find legislative approval of the board members yet? If there’s no official notice of their approval by the state Senate by the end of the current session, could Disney have them unseated? I know that it would just result in a scrambled special session to affirm and reappoint them, but would be yet another egg in his face that would be entertaining.
I knew a guy once closer to my stomping grounds who was a popular Governor and one of the favorites to run for President who closed a bridge to spite some people who didn’t support him. He went from one of the favorites to washed up in a matter of months. It wasn’t all because he closed that bridge but it was a big part of his decline.
 

Fido Chuckwagon

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It doesn't punish them at all other than maybe generate fewer guests which isn't good for Disney or the State.
Nothing about this from the start to the finish has been good for Disney or the State. It’s all been about trying to score cheap political points at the expense of the largest employer in the state. This is and continues to be Florida cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face.
 

lewisc

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I knew a guy once closer to my stomping grounds who was a popular Governor and one of the favorites to run for President who closed a bridge to spite some people who didn’t support him. He went from one of the favorites to washed up in a matter of months. It wasn’t all because he closed that bridge but it was a big part of his decline.
I'm not sure who you're talking about.

Chris Christie didn't literally close a.bridge. His lackeys created traffic jams in roads near a bridge causing massive delays.
 

Riviera Rita

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At the end of the day everything DeSantis is threatening to do will hurt tourists and all the other tourist attractions in the Orlando area, which will in turn affect all those who are employed in the industry more than it will hurt Disney. The only people who think it's great live in their gated retirement communities with no reliance on the tourism industry of Central Florida for their income.
Ir's a shame this happened after the Gubernatorial election because Charlie Crist could have pointed out the stupidity of DeSantis' actions and the effect it would have on Central Florida as a whole.
 

Riviera Rita

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Nothing about this from the start to the finish has been good for Disney or the State. It’s all been about trying to score cheap political points at the expense of the largest employer in the state. This is and continues to be Florida cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face.
Disney never wanted this! They spoke out against a disgusting piece of legislation that doesn't belong in a civilised society and Ron got the hump. Disney has a right to protect themselves from this barrage of silliness from a politician with more ambition than brains.
 

Smiley/OCD

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I knew a guy once closer to my stomping grounds who was a popular Governor and one of the favorites to run for President who closed a bridge to spite some people who didn’t support him. He went from one of the favorites to washed up in a matter of months. It wasn’t all because he closed that bridge but it was a big part of his decline.
And he looked great in a beach chair…
 

Lilofan

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I knew a guy once closer to my stomping grounds who was a popular Governor and one of the favorites to run for President who closed a bridge to spite some people who didn’t support him. He went from one of the favorites to washed up in a matter of months. It wasn’t all because he closed that bridge but it was a big part of his decline.
At a WH dinner one of the comedians roasted him in the audience. He was not in charge of the garden state but he was in charge of the Olive Garden state. He even cracked a smile.
 

lazyboy97o

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Citizens United focused on campaign spending, which is not central to this issue.

Really, Disney’s free speech rights date back to the 1978 decision in Bellotti. Prior to Bellotti, 31 states had laws limiting corporate speech.

Bellotti and Citizens United are both 5-4 decisions. Among legal scholars, both decisions remain controversial.

Legally, Disney is in a much stronger position now because they have turned this into a contract dispute, which is relatively settled law.
Bellotti was not about issuing statements nor were media companies previously prohibited from expressing opinion.
 

Lilofan

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DeSantis is trying to be one of the most powerful politicians in the world, and he's doing so by ignoring actual problems faced by Floridians and is coming across as incompetent in a war with a business that is central to Florida's well being.

Imagine thinking this guy is qualified to be POTUS.
I doubt he will be paying for his fantasyland toll increase to retaliate against Disney. He will probably use his EZ pass when using toll roads and claim it as a business expense.
 

LAKid53

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Premium Member
They wouldn’t build traditional toll plazas…overhead poles with transponders and cameras. E-Z Pass and/or pay by license plate and that’s the extent.

Even doing that, similar to the one on the Turnpike (in/near Lake County?), will take several months. And disrupt traffic. The one at that point on the Turnpike is on an on ramp.
 

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