News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Tha Realest]

Dude... do I need to break out the crayons?

The difference between operations and sales Disney ALLOWS and DECIDED... vs sales or operations Disney has no say in.

Lot's of over my reaction to a bad post (since edited), which read:

The thing about this also is that it could end up allowing non Disney businesses on Disney property.

You're making arguments not clear in the original post (again, since edited) and getting upset at a joke

 

[lazyboy97o]

Much more reserved and softer tone. Sounds like something is going to be worked out.

Sure… We’ve been hearing this for how long now?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Part of me wonders if this bill was written to give Disney a number of grounds to sue on. So they get their win for having stopped and owned Disney, and are leaving it to the courts to undo their damage. This thing is that blatant.

I’d agree with you if I honestly believed anyone writing this was bright enough.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Much more reserved and softer tone. Sounds like something is going to be worked out.

Vahle's statement is cautious but precise. It's sufficiently open-ended to allow anyone to read into it whatever they want.

It's the kind of statement that could have been drafted weeks ago. It's exactly what it needs to be.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now that’s how you craft a statement, friendly, not divisive, and not political in any way. Good job Mr Vahle and PR team, where were you 2 years ago when Chapek stepped into this mess?

They were “ in fear”….huddled under an ergonomic sit to stand desk with Josh and Chrissy McCarthy

 

[flynnibus]

Vahle's statement is cautious but precise. It's sufficiently open-ended to allow anyone to read into it whatever they want.

It's the kind of statement that could have been drafted weeks ago. It's exactly what it needs to be.

Meh - for Disney finally acknowledging the issue.. it basically says absolutely nothing. More like "we are aware of the bill, thank you, no comment"

 

[monothingie]

It's the kind of statement that could have been drafted weeks ago. It's exactly what it needs to be.

Imagine where they'd be without so many self-inflicted wounds.

 

[drnilescrane]

https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=h0009B.SAC.DOCX&DocumentType=Analysis&BillNumber=0009B&Session=2023B

The staff bill analysis is out. It seems like the legislature has been planning this for a while - the reform of the district's powers make sense as a whole.

The problem is the governor and his appointed board. It feels like the two issues - reform and "punish Disney" have been smashed together - that's the "compromise".

Maybe the bill will change in committee/be amended.

 

[lazyboy97o]

https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=h0009B.SAC.DOCX&DocumentType=Analysis&BillNumber=0009B&Session=2023B

The staff bill analysis is out. It seems like the legislature has been planning this for a while - the changes on a whole make sense.

The problem is the governor and his appointed board.

What specific changes make sense?

 

[drnilescrane]

What specific changes make sense?

None of these things on the face of it seem offensive:

1. Removing the district’s ability to own and operate airport facilities, certain types of recreational facilities (such as stadiums, civic centers, and convention halls), and “novel and experimental” facilities (such as a nuclear fission power plant);
2. Removing the district’s ability to spend public funds to advertise businesses, facilities, and attractions within the district, and to levy tolls;
3. Retaining the district’s power to adopt its own planning, zoning, building, and safety codes, while clarifying the application of general law to those codes and requiring any building and safety codes to be substantially similar or provide more stringent standards than the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code;
4. Removing sections of the charter that duplicate provisions of general law applicable to the district; and
5. Updating or removing, as applicable, cross-references and archaic terminology.

 

[flynnibus]

I wonder if the senate confirmation of the board members is some angle to try to avoid the critique of no-representation in the board members.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder if the senate confirmation of the board members is some angle to try to avoid the critique of no-representation in the board members.

After it’s been engineering that the I-4 corridor has been almost permanently rendered to be in the legislative minority?…

…just saying

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wonder if the senate confirmation of the board members is some angle to try to avoid the critique of no-representation in the board members.

It’s part of the process for other boards such as the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s part of the process for other boards such as the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority.

…pretty sure there’s a bit more eyes/regs that require caution and the need for more meddling when planes are involved

 

[lazyboy97o]

None of these things on the face of it seem offensive:

1. Removing the district’s ability to own and operate airport facilities, certain types of recreational facilities (such as stadiums, civic centers, and convention halls), and “novel and experimental” facilities (such as a nuclear fission power plant);
2. Removing the district’s ability to spend public funds to advertise businesses, facilities, and attractions within the district, and to levy tolls;
3. Retaining the district’s power to adopt its own planning, zoning, building, and safety codes, while clarifying the application of general law to those codes and requiring any building and safety codes to be substantially similar or provide more stringent standards than the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code;
4. Removing sections of the charter that duplicate provisions of general law applicable to the district; and
5. Updating or removing, as applicable, cross-references and archaic terminology.

Would you describe them as inoffensive if we were discussing any other municipality, county or district that provided the same services?

The EPCOT Building Code already meets the minimum requirements of the Florida Building Code. The District enforces the Florida Fire Prevention a code, which just demonstrates how clueless those involved actually are when it comes the District. So by calling this reasonable you just validate the lie that the District has been enforcing substandard or no regulations, because there’d be no need to review the use of state regulations.

 

[drnilescrane]

Would you describe them as inoffensive if we were discussing any other municipality, county or district that provided the same services?

Number 3 is full on gaslighting that you are validating. The EPCOT Building Code already meets the minimum requirements of the Florida Building Code. The District enforces the Florida Fire Prevention a code, which just demonstrates how clueless those involved actually are when it comes the District. So by calling this reasonable you just validate the lie that the District has been enforcing substandard or no regulations, because there’d be no need to review the use of state regulations.

Can you point to a situation where somebody - including myself - has publicly claimed that Reedy Creek has been enforcing substandard or no regulations?

Aligning the written regulation with current best practice doesn't mean that anything was wrong before.

As I said in my first post, I believe two separate issues - the fact that RCID's charter needed to be updated to reflect the current reality of their operations and the Governor's stupid tantrum - have been combined by a complicit legislature.

Oh, and to answer your first question - Yes.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

Disney is doomed now, because of the new bill. Now the resort won’t be able to do new projects, or continue current ones.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is great. Disney is out of control and spiraling and it’s about time they face the music for their stupid choices.

1. What “stupid choices” we talking about?
2. I have some neosporin and bandaids for you…don’t want those knuckles to get infected

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can you point to a situation where somebody - including myself - has publicly claimed that reedy creek has been enforcing substandard or no regulations?

Aligning the written regulation with current best practice doesn't mean that anything was wrong before.

Oh, and to answer your first question - Yes.

That Disney is free of state oversight and doesn’t have to follow codes has been one of the lies told to justify action against the District. By saying the plans to fix that “problem” are reasonable you are giving validity to the lie. The regulations are already aligned, exceeded or the same.

So some entities should be given special treatment? What are the guidelines for this special treatment?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney is doomed now, because of the new bill. Now the resort won’t be able to do new projects, or continue current ones.

...or allow Disney to sell off Fox properties!!11