News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

drnilescrane

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How does this work for the residents of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista along with all the landowners in the district? How does the state just take control of the board without any agreement from all these parties?
My personal opinion - if this goes to the courts, which it should if it passes as currently written - then the headline we'll see is "Reedy Creek residents file lawsuit".

Disney themselves will try hard not to be the litigant.
 

Brian

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You can’t file a lawsuit over proposed legislation.
You can, however, file a lawsuit over enacted legislation (that being the legislation which dissolves RCID in June).
The point of the state appointees is not to provide good faith oversight. They are there to inflict harm and stalling work is a harm. This isn’t actually about the issues of land use. The reasons for why a sewage treatment plant upgrade is a good idea are absolutely meaningless if the issue holding up the project is the content of the latest movie release.
I'm inclined to agree with you. However, if only the state can create a special district, and if Disney wishes to have a special district, they have to engage with the state, or file a lawsuit to attempt to overturn the legislation which dissolves RCID in June.
 
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SplashJacket

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As a tv drama this would be fascinating, as something real that has huge implications on the legality of governments punishing dissenting speech it’s terrifying though.

I never thought it would get to this point, I’d have bet a million dollars they’d resolve this behind closed doors with no fanfare and with very little actually changing, the fact it’s still going is mind boggling.
It’s often easy to assume people are more competent than they seem. It’s easy to assume someone’s theatric behavior is a ploy to gain notoriety and support, but oftentimes, when the curtain is pulled back, the emperor has no clothes and that perceived incompetence is highlighted in full force.

I fell for it in 2016, but I’ve learned that the higher-up you go in any institution, the poster-child perception fades to a system full of cracks and patches.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
Disney really should learn to just focus on their business and not create such a mess in the PR world these days. Regardless of any side you are on, this and other bad PR things over the last few years all could have been avoided and they keep doing it to themselves

No. That's like blaming the person for getting shot who happened to be walking through a rough neighborhood. Sorry it does not excuse the behavior here.
 

Brian

Well-Known Member
It's been said that the legislation passed last year actually doesn't apply to RCID because of the way it was written.
It would be rather funny if a court agreed, because the legislation obviously wasn't predicated on shutting down the Marion County Law Library.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
No. Disney has the right to say what they want about any political issue without fear of state retaliation. Full stop. No excuses, no blame the victim.
Of course they have the right to say what they want, we all do, but with that can come consequences as well. Disney should just stay in their lane regardless of their positions on things outside running their company. They have enough problems to worry about right now before they create new ones.
 

Dranth

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Disney really should learn to just focus on their business and not create such a mess in the PR world these days. Regardless of any side you are on, this and other bad PR things over the last few years all could have been avoided and they keep doing it to themselves
Disagree. They should be allowed to be as political as they want without fear of government retaliation until the laws are changed that allow for corporations to do/say what they want. It is up to the consumer to "punish" or "reward" a company, not any level of government.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Disagree. They should be allowed to be as political as they want without fear of government retaliation until the laws are changed that allow for corporations to do/say what they want. It is up to the consumer to "punish" or "reward" a company, not any level of government.
Agreed, but they were basically still “getting away” with having reedy creek advantages…and they could have revoked that a long time ago. It wouldn’t even be questioned now if they hadn’t made a mess for themselves. I don’t care what side you are on or what you believe, Disney would have less problems in the world if they didn’t create most of their own problems.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
but with that can come consequences as well

Sure. Consequences such as private citizens organizing boycotts. Consequences such as people deciding not to spend their money with Disney. Consequences such as negative PR, people criticizing them in public, etc. Those are all expected and reasonable consequences that any company should expect based on their actions or speech.

Retaliation by the government is *not* a legitimate consequence. It's expressly prohibited by the first amendment of the Constitution. It's the Governor and FL legislature who should stay in *their* lane here. What this is amounts toman abuse of power, full stop.
 

lazyboy97o

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You can, however, file a lawsuit over enacted legislation (that being the legislation which dissolves RCID in June).
There are very good arguments that that law does not apply to the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which means there would be no standing. I honestly cannot explain the lack of action by any party, especially bond holders.

I'm inclined to agree with you. However, if only the state can create a special district, and if Disney wishes to have a special district, they have to engage with the state, or file a lawsuit to attempt to overturn the legislation which dissolves RCID in June.

In today's political climate, and given his personality, DeSantis isn't just going to roll over and give Disney back RCID. He couldn't even if he wanted to, politically speaking. The most I can see Disney securing is a split board like I described; I can't see DeSantis signing off on a plan which gives Disney appointees majority control, and if DeSantis isn't on board, I'm almost positive a majority of the legislature won't be either, given the new supermajority the GOP has. And then there's his veto power...
Disney doesn’t need a new district to be created, they just need to maintain the one that exists. I think Disney absolutely has a long fight ahead of them, because this does go beyond one individual, and that’s exactly why they need to fight. Not fighting now just sets the precedent that this is something that works to get Disney to do as desired.

Seriously, how does Disney respond to a new attraction not being allowed to start construction or open because of the content of a movie? What leverage does Disney have to get the attraction approved? The state appointed board members don’t care that the project isn’t happening. They lose nothing by being uncooperative. You can’t have some sort of penalty for not approving projects because that means you hinder the ability to make good faith objections.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
What mess? A mess with the governor and his legislative party?

The governor and his party are defiling the democratic government we all live under by using the power of their office to punish an organization whose views they don't like. That is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment.

If you 'get into a mess' by simply expressing a political point of view over pending legislation and someone in the government doesn't like you doing that and thus targets you; and they misuse their power to harass you and cause harm to you, will you just shrug and say "I guess I shouldn't have stepped into it."?
At the end of the day, neither side should be doing or have done what they are doing or have done. 2 wrongs don’t make a right yet here we are. Again, this all could have been avoided. And for the record I don’t agree with them coming after Reedy Creek and Disney, all I’m saying is they created their own problem
 

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