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Ugh...And they have the "smaller" demographic.

We need DL Parks Ops. Now.:lol:

Why is that?

Remember WDW has 2 MK July 4 shows, 1 Studios July 4 Show, and 1 Epcot July 4 show - so thats a total of 4 July 4 shows, and a guest choice of 3 different shows. How many choices does DL have? just the 1. And remember, the SLIGHTEST bit of wind will cancel all those DL shows, whereas at WDW its going to take a hurricane to stop those shows. Despite what some people will have you think, the grass isnt always greener.

 

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You are right, but most people don't care. It's all about proving that Steve was right!


Disney screwed this up by either not announcing once it was decided or waffling until 2 weeks prior to the holiday. Can we focus on that?

Nah it wasnt a screw up. Guests who were heading to WDW during July 4 time would travel regardless of whether there was an MK show on the 3rd, or a Studios show on the 4th. The fact its now confirmed is just a bonus. I doubt that anyone outside of those who are looking to constantly pick fault will have been affected.

How did anyone manage before the internet in a time when you only found out the schedule once you got there!!

 

[GothMickey]

Nah it wasnt a screw up. Guests who were heading to WDW during July 4 time would travel regardless of whether there was an MK show on the 3rd, or a Studios show on the 4th. The fact its now confirmed is just a bonus. I doubt that anyone outside of those who are looking to constantly pick fault will have been affected.

How did anyone manage before the internet in a time when you only found out the schedule once you got there!!

I totally agree with you. We have become spoiled by the interent.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Why is that?

Remember WDW has 2 MK July 4 shows, 1 Studios July 4 Show, and 1 Epcot July 4 show - so thats a total of 4 July 4 shows, and a guest choice of 3 different shows. How many choices does DL have? just the 1. And remember, the SLIGHTEST bit of wind will cancel all those DL shows, whereas at WDW its going to take a hurricane to stop those shows. Despite what some people will have you think, the grass isnt always greener.

I see what you are saying. Still though, it's only for two days. Wouldn't it be nice to do something for a whole week/5 days??:lol: Maybe I'm being greedy...but it would certainly be impressive.

 

[wdwmagic]

I see what you are saying. Still though, it's only for two days. Wouldn't it be nice to do something for a whole week/5 days??:lol: Maybe I'm being greedy...but it would certainly be impressive.

If you are a guest heading there over the July 4 period, do you really want to see the same show every night? The way its setup now, over 5 days guests can see Wishes, Celebrate America, RoE, RoE July 4 Edition and Fantasmic. Thats a pretty good offering!

 

[jakeman]

The more I think about this the more I think everyone is right in this case.

It wasn't a screw up for Disney. Out of towners are going to be there regardless. People who travel down to Disney for just the fireworks is probably insignificant. If you are show an acceptable occupancy level for that time, there is no real benefit announcing something that draws people down.

I wouldn't be surprised (speculation only) if this was more for the locals and day trippers. Folks that didn't have plans yet for the 4th. Just a heads up to them that something is going on down the road officially.

With that said, with the amount of planning that is "expected" to go into a Disney vacation, more than a two weeks notification for people who only use the official sources would probably have been more appropriate.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

If you are a guest heading there over the July 4 period, do you really want to see the same show every night? The way its setup now, over 5 days guests can see Wishes, Celebrate America, RoE, RoE July 4 Edition and Fantasmic. Thats a pretty good offering!

I wouldn't mind.:lookaroun:lol: Again...I gotcha. But, playing devils advocate, what about the guests that are traveling around the 4th. Open the window of opportunity for them. For a few years, I was in WDW for my Birthday-June 30th. Being close to the 4th Show but not seeing it always got me.:lol:

 

[WDW Monorail]

I wouldn't mind.:lookaroun:lol: Again...I gotcha. But, playing devils advocate, what about the guests that are traveling around the 4th. Open the window of opportunity for them. For a few years, I was in WDW for my Birthday-June 30th. Being close to the 4th Show but not seeing it always got me.:lol:

Damn Congress didn't approve of the Declaration until the 4th....

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Damn Congress didn't approve of the Declaration until the 4th....

:lol:

According to Adams we should be celebrating the 2nd.

According to Lee, June 7th.

Jefferson, the 4th of July.

And a bunch of other people, AUGUST 4th.:lol:


Heck, why not all?:lookaroun

 

[wdwmagic]

I wouldn't mind.:lookaroun:lol: Again...I gotcha. But, playing devils advocate, what about the guests that are traveling around the 4th. Open the window of opportunity for them. For a few years, I was in WDW for my Birthday-June 30th. Being close to the 4th Show but not seeing it always got me.:lol:

You're not going to please everyone either way
Just trying to put some balance into things that everything isn't better at DL. Some may like that DL are doing the same show everynight (hoping that the show can go at least one night due to wind issues), and some will prefer WDWs approach of offering more variety.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

You're not going to please everyone either way
Just trying to put some balance into things that everything isn't better at DL. Some may like that DL are doing the same show everynight (hoping that the show can go at least one night due to wind issues), and some will prefer WDWs approach of offering more variety.

Of course.


But then again...Why not do two shows a night? July 4th Show and Wishes?
:lookaroun:lol:

Then they could reopen Horizons...Revamp PI...Bring back MSEP...Bring back Toad...:lookaroun:animwink::lol:

 

[hrcollectibles]

:lol:

According to Adams we should be celebrating the 2nd.

According to Lee, June 7th.

Jefferson, the 4th of July.

And a bunch of other people, AUGUST 4th.:lol:


Heck, why not all?:lookaroun

I agree with Adams.. July 2nd should be a national Holiday .. It just so happens to be My birthday...

 

[WDW Monorail]

Of course.


But then again...Why not do two shows a night? July 4th Show and Wishes?
:lookaroun:lol:

That would put an unbelievable amount of strain on the pyro crew.
On New Years Eve, they can perform Holiday Wishes early in the evening and have time to reload for the midnight FitS.

In the summer, they might be able to push Wishes up to 9 PM but no earlier because it is not yet dark, but there would never be enough time to load the massive 4th of July show, even if it were to be performed at midnight.
Remember, the 4th of July shows use both Wishes sites in the North Service Area. Plus, extra crews have to be brought in to load the island and perimeter sites.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I agree with Adams.. July 2nd should be a national Holiday .. It just so happens to be My birthday...

:lol: Happy Birthday...


...I wish something happened for the GOOD on June 30th.:dazzle: Only Bad history on that day.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

That would put an unbelievable amount of strain on the pyro crew.
On New Years Eve, they can perform Holiday Wishes early in the evening and have time to reload for the midnight FitS.

In the summer, they might be able to push Wishes up to 9 PM but no earlier because it is not yet dark, but there would never be enough time to load the massive 4th of July show, even if it were to be performed at midnight.
Remember, the 4th of July shows use both Wishes sites in the North Service Area. Plus, extra crews have to be brought in to load the island and perimeter sites.

I know...I was being facetious.

Interesting though...I knew it took long, but not that long.

 

[RonR3]

What does "TPKaTD-MGMS" stand for in your post? Thanks.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

What does "TPKaTD-MGMS" stand for in your post? Thanks.

The Park Known as The Disney MGM Studios.

 

[CBOMB]

Wow, we are doing so good there for a while in that other thread...:lookaroun :lol:

Join me in keeping our mouths shut...:lookaroun:lol:

I still think the only solution is to deport '74. His in your face style of posting made me cry today!

I'm not alone here in seeing things turning around. More than a few people won't say so because they don't want to deal with your self admitted "in your face" posting style. That has never been a very common part of this forum until you showed up. Thug tactics don't work on me however.

Curious, if things were so great before that evil '74 arrived, why have so many people been banned in the past? What about all those locked threads, and threads that just went bye-bye?

I am sure there will be no problem guest-wise, but, it is inconceivable how Disney could NOT announce this a month or more in advance.. They force you to book dining 90 days out... People will look at the July schedule three months prior, see parks closing early July 4th weekend, with only MK showing any kind of 4th of July firework show, then book dining accordingly.. Now, 2 week before the holiday, Disney springs this on people... How many guests have to now consider changing ADRs cause this plays havoc with their plans?? Even if it is just a handful, it is still a bad choice...

There is a post in another forum where a man has the problem you pointed out. Needless to say it's easy for those not affected to just shrug this off. Let me also say he is not one who constantly picks fault with WDW either.

Nah it wasnt a screw up. Guests who were heading to WDW during July 4 time would travel regardless of whether there was an MK show on the 3rd, or a Studios show on the 4th. The fact its now confirmed is just a bonus. I doubt that anyone outside of those who are looking to constantly pick fault will have been affected.

How did anyone manage before the internet in a time when you only found out the schedule once you got there!!

You may not consider it a screw up Steve, but I most assuredly think it is a lack of consideration for the guest.

I assumed you didn't just make up what you knew about the holiday schedule for fireworks, and park hours. If you knew in advance someone must have told you. Why did WDW wait until two weeks out to post it.

The internet has become a useful information tool. Countless numbers of people use it to preplan their schedule at WDW. To not provide accurate information to the guest as soon as possible is inexcusable to me.

You are very right to ask what did folks do before the internet. I guess they made do. Just like we did before cell phones or microwaves or TV's or AC or automobiles or airplanes. I certainly wouldn't want to go back to those days though. I prefer the convenience of modern times.

 

[WDW1974]

I read through this and WOW... But I highlighted the part that I think is the problem.. I know I been put off by 74's posts... I know I took him as one of the negative nellies on here...

I am NOT a negative anything. I would love to gush about Disney's products, believe me ... and if you ask me about certain aspects of TWDC I will indeed do that ... anything from DLP ... to UP ... to Lost ... to DCL ... to just the pure joy walking around EPCOT and DAK bring to me. Again, I'm someone who enjoys DCA, DSP and HKDL, so the idea that I am a Disney Basher is pure 100% (expletive not used).

I won't, however, sit back as WDW gets homogenized and dumbed down and read ludicrous excuses for why that is OK and smart. It isn't. People are entitled to believe otherwise and I am entitled to take their posts apart.

I have a thread on LP.com titled 'Has the MK lost its soul?' and there is no way in hell I'd be able to post it here for discussion without being attacked personally (which the good mods would probably let go) because there's no possible way anyone who grew up loving the place and sickened by the WalMarting of it could possibly have any points worth listening to ... which leads into your next point ...

But the more I read his posts, the less I thought of that... Major problem with the internet is you cannot tell what tone a post was meant to have.. Someone may say something sarcastically, and next thing you know World War 10 breaks out...

74, I appreciate your posts and thank you for bringing another side to things, whether we agree or not... Goth, thank you for apologizing and being a man about being wrong...

I am glad you appreciate my posts whether you agree or not. As to the whole deal with sarcasm and such, I believe some folks simply have their minds made up and don't want to have them changed no matter what.

There's nothing I can do about that.

Now, maybe we can all move on, please??

In these parts? You can't be serious (does that convey the sarcasm?)

As for the original topic: I still think TDO is way off base here in only releasing this 2 weeks in advance.. it is either pure laziness, or terrible management... probably a combo of both...

Absolutely. It does change plans for people ... meals that due to DDP had to be booked months in advance ... days that were planned in one park around old schedules. Disney damn well knew MK wasn't closing at 11 on July 4th ... they knew that six months ago ... yet, they wait until now?

And the freaking press release is still NOT ACCURATE! It still has MK at 9-11 on the Fourth, not 8-1.

For a company that built a rep on great customer service, this is abysmal.

Now, for me, I'm debating doing something I've never done ... four parks of pyro ... MK and SW on the 3rd and TPFKaTD-MGMS and EPCOT on the 4th. That might be a kewl thing to try (see, I'm a fanboi at heart too!)

 

[WDW1974]

Disneyland is only presenting the show on multiple nights to offset a repeat of last years cancellation due to winds of higher elevations.

Has TDA issued a release to that fact?

I'm not denying that may be the base cause. But, either way, it's a great move for guests ... and if things go off every night (I have done DL on a quite a few Fourths and never had the show cancelled before) they'll actually be able to spread out crowds and not make it so unbearable. And if winds kick up, at least the show will go on ...