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markjohns1

Member
Thank you for confirming my previous point. Disney "adds" something they have always offered anyway nd its now a positive for no extra cost. Is it sharp management or stupid consumerism?
The expectation was no pyro on July 3rd and no DHS pyro on the 4th, as that is what the schedule indicated. I'm saying this change is good for guests as compared to what was previously indicated, regardless of how little notice they provided. Previous offerings really have no bearing.
 

CBOMB

Active Member
Thank you for confirming my previous point. Disney "adds" something they have always offered anyway nd its now a positive for no extra cost. Is it sharp management or stupid consumerism?
Perhaps a touch of both, with a heavy dose of the latter.
It's the same thing they've done every year, so how is that mismanagement?
So you are saying that WDW has always waited to announce their holiday hours, and firework shows until 2 weeks before the event?
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Perhaps a touch of both, with a heavy dose of the latter.

So you are saying that WDW has always waited to announce their holiday hours, and firework shows until 2 weeks before the event?

It has always been announced long before 2 weeks before the event... These are Disney apologists... TDO could have announced this on July 2nd and the same people here would say HEY THEY ARE OFFERING IT SO ITS A GOOD THING...

Truth is, TDO is asleep at the wheel... And they really botched this one up...
 

marsrunner

New Member
Disney should just not announce any operating hours or schedules. After all, you know they are going to be open at some point during the day and they'll have fireworks somewhere, right? So screw it, just come on down and be happy we're open! Don't worry about where you've planned your meals (you shouldn't bother anyway) or which days you've planned to be in which parks and when. Just enjoy the magic!
:brick:
I was to type some stuff here to point out my opinion on why its a bad decision to not release this information earlier, but what's the point? So, enjoy some sarcasm instead!
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
It has always been announced long before 2 weeks before the event... These are Disney apologists... TDO could have announced this on July 2nd and the same people here would say HEY THEY ARE OFFERING IT SO ITS A GOOD THING...

Truth is, TDO is asleep at the wheel... And they really botched this one up...
*nods*

*runs away*
:lookaroun:lol:
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure why I would bother, but this incident is being blown out of proportion by the usual group of haters and whiners. Of course, that's to be expected, but let's attempt to at least be somewhat accurate with your rants.

Disney released the schedule as normal. It was a reduced schedule. I believe that is to be expected give the media hyped recession.

However, they decided to ADD back to the schedule to give more to the guests. I'm sure that was done to tick all those guests off. How dare they! I can't believe they had the gall to do additional fireworks.

I really hope everyone at the parks during that time stops by guest relations and let them know how upset you are that Disney added to the planned entertainment. :brick:
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
And as predicted the announcement of fewer cuts has resulted in multiple orgasms for the usual sycophants and brown nosers to support their unswerving loyalty posts and the concpt that less is actually more when you love the mouse.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
And as predicted the announcement of fewer cuts has resulted in multiple orgasms for the usual sycophants and brown nosers to support their unswerving loyalty posts and the concpt that less is actually more when you love the mouse.
Less? It appears this year has similar offerings as previous years. More if you compare it to several years ago.

As normal, I'll ignore your bile and ad homs. That's usually a sign you lack facts and instead have to deflect.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
Less? It appears this year has similar offerings as previous years. More if you compare it to several years ago.

As normal, I'll ignore your bile and ad homs. That's usually a sign you lack facts and instead have to deflect.
Bile and ad homs? An attempt to seize the moral high ground from someone whos opening gambit was "the usual group of haters and whiners." Still if you dont have the balls...............

I think my facts with stand a bit more scrutiny than that exhibited by the dismissive nature of your post. I have made the accusation based on numerous responses here extolling the wonders of the corporate rodent, while that in my perception Disney has not actually improved their service offerings, but simply equalled, at best, what was previously offered, yet some seem to think this is a giant stride forward, Im just pointing out its media manipulation. Sorry if that rattles your corporate orthodoxy.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Bile and ad homs? An attempt to seize the moral high ground from someone whos opening gambit was "the usual group of haters and whiners." Still if you dont have the balls...............

I think my facts with stand a bit more scrutiny than that exhibited by the dismissive nature of your post. I have made the accusation based on numerous responses here extolling the wonders of the corporate rodent, while that in my perception Disney has not actually improved their service offerings, but simply equalled, at best, what was previously offered, yet some seem to think this is a giant stride forward, Im just pointing out its media manipulation. Sorry if that rattles your corporate orthodoxy.

Sak, let us not forget TDO has these plans for weeks, maybe months in advance... and JUST released them... Again, proves to me they fell asleep at the wheel... TDO is hitting below the Mendoza line... It should be back to the minor league for these major league failures of late...
 

wdwfan22

Well-Known Member
Sak, let us not forget TDO has these plans for weeks, maybe months in advance... and JUST released them... Again, proves to me they fell asleep at the wheel... TDO is hitting below the Mendoza line... It should be back to the minor league for these major league failures of late...

The delayed release of information is not a failure by any means. We are talking about a fireworks show. The way some of you carry on is really frightening
 

markjohns1

Member
It has always been announced long before 2 weeks before the event... These are Disney apologists... TDO could have announced this on July 2nd and the same people here would say HEY THEY ARE OFFERING IT SO ITS A GOOD THING...

Truth is, TDO is asleep at the wheel... And they really botched this one up...
Botched isn't really the term that comes to mind when you get more of something good. "The ice cream shop really botched things up by giving me two scoops instead of the one I paid for." I still have yet to see anyone give an example of how a guest would be negatively impacted by more pyro choices and park hours than previously expected.

I'm not sure why I would bother, but this incident is being blown out of proportion...
I question whether it can even be classified as an "incident." It's such a non-issue.

I think my facts with stand a bit more scrutiny than that exhibited by the dismissive nature of your post. I have made the accusation based on numerous responses here extolling the wonders of the corporate rodent, while that in my perception Disney has not actually improved their service offerings, but simply equalled, at best, what was previously offered, yet some seem to think this is a giant stride forward, Im just pointing out its media manipulation. Sorry if that rattles your corporate orthodoxy.
Who thought this "is a giant stride forward?" Why blow things out of proportion to try to denigrate others' viewpoints? It doesn't seem that TDO has habitually announced special events scheduling on short notice. If they have, please enlighten me. In regards to park hours, I don't even think it's out of the ordinary for those to be extended in the same week, or even same day, based on crowd levels. Again, in this case the timing of the announcment will have a neutral to positive affect on guests. If it becomes habit, they're definitely playing with fire.
 

WDW Monorail

Well-Known Member
It has always been announced long before 2 weeks before the event... These are Disney apologists... TDO could have announced this on July 2nd and the same people here would say HEY THEY ARE OFFERING IT SO ITS A GOOD THING...

Truth is, TDO is asleep at the wheel... And they really botched this one up...

If having an understanding of managerial decisions makes me an apologist, so be it.

I am a Disney apologist. I see reality where others see ideally. I see beyond the "stick it to the guest" attitude.
 

spaceghost

Well-Known Member
Bah...can we just close this thread? People aren't going to agree. You have two extreme positions, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. Yes, there is evidence that the management at WDW is less than stellar. However, the economic downturn has led to a shortening of the lead-time on many of the schedules at the resort, and for legitimate reasons. Yes, it is a bad thing that what is being offered is (apparently) less than what has been in the past. However, adding to what was previously announced is a good thing, and I don't think it is going to have that drastic an effect on people's plans. So...there you go. Can we just all move on now?
 

marsrunner

New Member
Why is it so hard to understand that the complaint isn't that they added more shows or longer hours than was originally announced (though still only bringing it inline with historical hours/shows), or that they really just at the last minute extended hours and added shows, but that they obviously already knew this ahead of time, considering Steve posted as much a month ago? They'd apparently already made these decisions but it appears that they held up announcing. The question is, why? If they'd just released the hours earlier when they'd already made those apparent decisions then people could have adjusted their schedules (dining and otherwise) appropriately.
Why does anyone bother bringing up any opposing points on this forum when those points are just ignored or twisted around to make them into an apologist or doom and gloomer?
 

PixieMagicMom

New Member
Out of excitement:sohappy: I can't seem to make up my mind now on where to be on the 3rd and 4th! :lookaroun I've got a 3 day play pass with PH. I'll be out there from the 2nd through the 7th -celebrating my daughter's 4th b-day on the 6th. It will be a CrAzY weekend! :p Thankfully I'm bringing my white Henessy with me to the room hehehe
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I'm not sure why I would bother, but this incident is being blown out of proportion by the usual group of haters and whiners. Of course, that's to be expected, but let's attempt to at least be somewhat accurate with your rants.

Haters and whiners? Another piece of work here ... someone thinks/knows WDW management is doing a ________ poor job of something as simple at scheduling and communicating with the public and that makes them 'haters and whiners' ... God, my trip can't come soon enough so I won't be tempted to read this drivel.

The ACCURATE FACTS are that WDW has never put out July 4th schedules so late ... and so inaccurate (the most recent press release still has MK open from 9-11 on 7/4, not the correct 8-1 and shows Spectro performing once and not twice) ... this is beyond laughable.

Yet, please let's defend da man ... that's become very en vogue in this country since 2001.

Disney released the schedule as normal. It was a reduced schedule. I believe that is to be expected give the media hyped recession.

No. They didn't. Normal schedules have been coming out as much as six months in advance.

And you're right, the media is hyping recession when the reality is a lot closer to depression in many areas. But let's blame the media, or what's left of it, for everything including WDW's scheduling and guest (lack of) communication.

However, they decided to ADD back to the schedule to give more to the guests. I'm sure that was done to tick all those guests off. How dare they! I can't believe they had the gall to do additional fireworks.

I really hope everyone at the parks during that time stops by guest relations and let them know how upset you are that Disney added to the planned entertainment. :brick:


You know, I don't want to dare call anyone dimwitted ... but I can't get why it is that some folks can't grasp the simplest concepts here. It isn't about getting something added. It's about putting out a phony schedule deliberately. It's allowing guests to make plans, including the all-important (unless you want to drop $50 on burgers that are barely edible at a QS locale) dining reservations based on a schedule that isn't accurate and to knowingly do so. It's about the fact that even when the info finally was released it wasn't even accurate.

On May 25 I printed out a 10-day schedule beginning July 3rd to plan my trip and it's covered in red marks now because so much of it was inaccurate.

That's something that Busch and Uni wouldn't pull. ... Of course they don't have such a fervent group of pixie dusted apologists who will defend anything/everything the Mouse does.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
I am far from a doom and gloomer... I have gone toe to toe with those who i called doom and gloomers... and like I said, I don't agree with 74 much, but, this time, I have to...

To me, forcing guests to book dining 90 days out, then not even giving them a schedule to help book their itinerary is lazy and down right atrocious... TDO is asleep at the wheel more than they are awake...

And this isn't just some Wishes fireworks show.. This is a special 4th OF JULY fireworks show... What if people expected to see a July 4th special show, saw nothing on the schedule, and went ahead and booked dining elsewhere... Now, they are given the schedule 2 weeks prior, dining is already made... Now, their plans are screwed and they are screwed out of the show... But they are just fireworks.. Nothing special about a 4th of July fireworks show..
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I am far from a doom and gloomer... I have gone toe to toe with those who i called doom and gloomers... and like I said, I don't agree with 74 much, but, this time, I have to...

And just for the record, I don't consider myself a doom and gloomer at all.

I consider myself a fair, rational realist who views things as they are while bemoaning why they aren't what they could/should be.

But my rep clearly is doom and gloom ... so I guess I should start a thread on how Disney has now removed prime rib from all its restaurants at WDW, not just the buffets (as they spun it before) or how they've had more price increases or how the good news for HKDL may mean even less $$$ for WDW ... but nah ... not now.
 

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