Re-Do a Retheme!

[Frankenstein79]

Echo and Agatha shouldn't have even got shows, they are insignificant characters. If done, they should have at least only been on other people's shows.

And Wonder man, much like Ariel is Caucasian. There's plenty of great black characters (that I love) like Black Panther, Blade, Luke Cage and Storm from the X-Men. The most important thing is to stay true to the original versions. The versions people fell in love with. There's no reason to stray away from them.

I agree, they shouldn't get hand me downs, they deserve their own characters.

 

[Miru]

I agree, they shouldn't get hand me downs, they deserve their own characters.

Worse; they’ve also done the other way around, racelifting a minor black villain or two to white.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Re-do: Italy


Another pavilion with no attractions currently, it would finally get some. It’s got great food, no doubt, but there are many other aspects of Italy that should be appreciated. The Expansion section will be themed to the city of Venice with it’s many water ways and alley ways.

Luca: Tour of Italy
-----(vespa ride, similar to mary poppins and grand fiesta tour)
----- (Tour the town of Portorosso seeing your favorite characters from the film. And end with win at a vespa only race. Set on the Italian Riviera in 1959, the film centers on Luca, a young sea monster boy with the ability to assume human form while on land. With his new best friends, Alberto and Giulia he experiences a life-changing summer adventure.)




Italy: Great Explorations
----- (boat ride, similar to spaceship earth)
----- (See the history of Italy and it’s many events aboard a gondola boat. The story will be mostly about important times in Italian history including wars and it’s many leaders. It’s abundance of travelers who looked to cross oceans and even explore space. And what would a true tour of Italy be like without the illustrious centuries of arts, created in abundance by it’s many great Italian artists.)




Viva Italia

A theater movie that shows you around Italy via various modes of transportation.

 

[Miru]

Echo and Agatha shouldn't have even gotten shows, they are insignificant characters. If done, they should have at least only been on other people's shows.

And Wonder man, much like Ariel is Caucasian. There's plenty of great black characters (that I love) like Black Panther, Blade, Luke Cage and Storm from the X-Men. The most important thing is to stay true to the original versions. The versions people fell in love with. There's no reason to stray away from them.

I’d argue Wonder Man also shouldn’t have gotten a show of his own, either. He also doesn’t have much and is overshadowed in the comics by his own death, so we’re kinda beholden to that.

Phase 2 or so had the right idea with the Marvel One-Shot series of shorts; use them to highlight/introduce lesser characters like Wonder Man or such before having them make supporting appearances in other movies/shows. Too bad those were soon abandoned in favor of giving everyone their own show.

On-topic, though;

Re-Do; The American Adventure

America Sings is a replacement for The American Adventure show, re-using many Splash Mountain/CBJ animatronics, alongside new creations. The tone is a little more serious now due to the fact the “One Wore Blue and One War Grey” song from the American Adventure is kept, and the show is expanded to go a little more modern than when it was at ODL, including Plectu’s alien band!

 

[DarkMetroid567]

I’ll bite — what is unwoke X-Men? I thought the “wokeness” was the point.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

I’d argue Wonder Man also shouldn’t have gotten a show of his own, either. He also doesn’t have much and is overshadowed in the comics by his own death, so we’re kinda beholden to that.

Phase 2 or so had the right idea with the Marvel One-Shot series of shorts; use them to highlight/introduce lesser characters like Wonder Man or such before having them make supporting appearances in other movies/shows. Too bad those were soon abandoned in favor of giving everyone their own show.

On-topic, though;

Re-Do; The American Adventure

America Sings is a replacement for The American Adventure show, re-using many Splash Mountain/CBJ animatronics, alongside new creations. The tone is a little more serious now due to the fact the “One Wore Blue and One War Grey” song from the American Adventure is kept, and the show is expanded to go a little more modern than when it was at ODL, including Plectu’s alien band!

I agree about Wonder Man. Marvel is really getting to the bottom of the barrel with that one. It would have been awesome in a one shot series. Same goes for D.C. characters over at WB, characters like Booster Gold shouldn't have a TV series or Movie.

Great choice for your American Pavilion attraction. I did something similar for Magic Kingdom, with "Critter Country Hoedown" on page 8. Disney definitely has to preserve their classic stuff more. They don't want to get like Universal Studios and replace everything with coasters and screen rides.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

I’ll bite — is unwoke X-Men? I thought the “wokeness” was the point.

Are you saying "What is unwoke X-Men?"

Unwoke would be keeping the races and genders the same. Unlike they did with Sub-Mariner, Taskmaster, The Ancient One (in Dr. Strange), Baron Mordo (in Dr. Strange), Ghost (in Antman and the Wasp), Mar-Vell (Captain Marvel), etc.

Unwoke would be not handing over the role to lesser known female or different race versions. Created in the modern era of comics where Woke has become popular. They deserve their own characters, not hand me downs.

 

[Miru]

Are you saying "What is unwoke X-Men?"

Unwoke would be keeping the races and genders the same. Unlike they did with Sub-Mariner, Taskmaster, The Ancient One (in Dr. Strange), Baron Mordo (in Dr. Strange), Ghost (in Antman and the Wasp), Mar-Vell (Captain Marvel), etc.

Unwoke would be not handing over the role to lesser known female or different race versions. Created in the modern era of comics where Woke has become popular. They deserve their own characters, not hand me downs.

I’d argue Ancient One is a case of Reverse-Woke, similar to the Wrecking Crew in She Hulk. But anyway…

Superstar Limo: The Good Version (retheme of Incredicoaster)

This is an attempt to reclaim the Superstar Limo attraction and convert it back into something closer to the original vision; now the coaster’s trains have become an elaborate stretched limousine, while you zoom past Hollywood scenes through the years, on a story that uses the SOBAT system to travel through time and Hollywood’s history. A smattering of Disney characters also show up for those IP points, including the Br’ers, the Incredibles, and Asha.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Superstar Limo: The Good Version (retheme of Incredicoaster)

This is an attempt to reclaim the Superstar Limo attraction and convert it back into something closer to the original vision; now the coaster’s trains have become an elaborate stretched limousine, while you zoom past Hollywood scenes through the years, on a story that uses the SOBAT system to travel through time and Hollywood’s history. A smattering of Disney characters also show up for those IP points, including the Br’ers, the Incredibles, and Asha.

I think you may have found a great replacement for Rock n Rollercoaster as well. It's already got the stretched limo.

 

[Miru]

I think you may have found a great replacement for Rock n Rollercoaster as well. It's already got the stretched limo.

Yeah, that works. And perhaps Florida would be more receptive to it, too.

I just realized Wish technically isn’t woke; it’s an original story.

Yeah, I’m out of ideas right now. Unless…

Habit Heroes: The Good Version (retheme of WEB SLINGERS)

Once again, one of the worst Disney attractions ever made is reclaimed with a revamp of an already controversial attraction. Unlike Habit Heroes, the bad habits are retooled to fit today’s world and a more conservative mindset (though yes, the extreme right is also the main and final villain just to be fair, the good guys are everyday conservatives). Additionally, there are a few more physical diorama sets, just to please fans of that.

 

[Snow Queen 83]

Great ideas guys!

In fact these ideas make too much sense for current Disney.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

Re-Do: The America pavilion


Walt really loved America and that showed with some of his early concepts for lands and attractions. With the new expansion of the pavilion I want to theme it to a 1980’s New York City and the Muppets. Since I plan to replace The Muppets section at Hollywood Studios. There would be advertisements with The Muppets all throughout on immense billboards. With it Epcot would become the official park of The Muppets, with the new and improved America pavilion, which already has Regal Eagle.

Re-Do: American Adventure


Great Moments in American History … featuring The Muppets
----- (stageshow, similar to american adventure)
----- (Sam Eagle of the Muppets hosts a brand new show which retells the story of America, with a little help from other famous Muppets along the way. It’s similar to the former show… but with Muppets. The Muppets over at the other park would lose their land, but they would get three attractions at Epcot. So they will definitely still be represented in Disney World.)



Re-Do: Fife and Drum


Camilla’s Fried Chicken (walkup)



Re-Do: Funnel Cakes Kiosk


Fozzie Bear’s Pies and More (walkup)

Re-Do: Expansion Area


The Muppets take America
----- (dark ride, similar to the great movie ride)
----- (Get inside a New York Taxi and travel around seeing the sights. Each section would show a different region of the United States like the Northeast, South, Midwest and Coastal West. Each with it’s own different muppet. Set to the song “Moving right Along”.)

• Scooter Fishing and catching Pepe the Prawn in New England
• Sam Eagle in Washington DC
• Miss Piggy dressed as the statue of liberty on Broadway
• Swedish Chef cooking in New York City
• Rizzo the Rat eating a pizza in New York City
• Rowlf playing the piano in New York City
• Fozzie the Bear dressed as Ben Franklin on stage in Philadelphia
• Gonzo and Camila going to space in Cape Canaveral
• Statler and Waldorf in Miami relaxing on the beach
• Kermit and Robin the Frog in a swamp in Louisiana
• Beaker (with Bunsen watching) riding a bull in Texas
• Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem (with Animal dressed as Elvis) in Las Vegas
• Bean Bunny riding a wave in California
• Walter going down a steep hill in San Francisco

Restaurant


Rowlf’s Tavern (table service)

 

[oogie boogie man]

That is a good compromise for the Muppets. Because they seem to symbolize America the most, out of all the Disney related characters.

 

[Snow Queen 83]

It feels like they are unfortunately getting rid of the Muppets. Disney seems to have ruined everything they've bought. Even Muppetvision isn't that good.

 

[Miru]

It feels like they are unfortunately getting rid of the Muppets. Disney seems to have ruined everything they've bought. Even Muppetvision isn't that good.

Even the things they created are now ruined, too. Not even just the ones made under the Disney family or Eisner, either; see Ralph Breaks the Internet, Wish, etc. for example.

The only thing that hasn’t been tainted is the TV animation department but there’s always the risk, given how one show got pulled from Disney+ (Pixar and Marvel are making steps to wash off the taint at this point too), and yes, the Muppets are among the dozens of IP Disney are trying to bury, like Dumbo, Figment, Treasure Planet, Marvel vs. Capcom, etc.

 

[Snow Queen 83]

Even the things they created are now ruined, too. Not even just the ones made under the Disney family or Eisner, either; see Ralph Breaks the Internet, Wish, etc. for example.

The only thing that hasn’t been tainted is the TV animation department but there’s always the risk, given how one show got pulled from Disney+ (Pixar and Marvel are making steps to wash off the taint at this point too), and yes, the Muppets are among the dozens of IP Disney are trying to bury, like Dumbo, Figment, Treasure Planet, Marvel vs. Capcom, etc.

Yep, that's what happens when you don't hire someone based on talent and hire them based on race or gender.

 

[Miru]

Yep, that's what happens when you don't hire someone based on talent and hire them based on race or gender.

So in theory hiring people just for being white would also ruin things?

 

[Snow Queen 83]

So in theory hiring people just for being white would also ruin things?

If they don't have the abilities (Kathleen Kennedy) to drive a car they shouldn't be given the keys.

 

[Miru]

If they don't have the abilities (Kathleen Kennedy) to drive a car they shouldn't be given the keys.

What if Kathleen Kennedy was male? Bob Iger is male, for example. Doesn’t make him competent. I can name a dozen others, especially outside Disney. David Zaslav for example.

But on-topic;

Mullholland Madness But Even Worse (retheme of Primeval Whirl)

Basically just the old Mulholland Madness theming stapled onto Primeval Whirl, inexplicably in Tropical America to make Indiana Jones look logical by comparision.

 

[Snow Queen 83]

What if Kathleen Kennedy was male? Bob Iger is male, for example. Doesn’t make him competent. I can name a dozen others, especially outside Disney.

At least Bob Iger and Kevin Feige have had success and showed the ability to run companies. Kennedy has made countless bad movies and shows for 12 years. And has even run their only good Star Wars show into the ground (The Mandalorian).