Ratatouille in Epcot

[orky8]

World Showcase has a minaret tower in Morocco, Tori Gate and Temple in Japan, Campanile and Doge's Palace in Italy, Stave Church in Norway, Temple in China and a Mayan Temple in Mexico...The world showcase is rife with "religious" structures already, and they have never been used in a disrespectful manner...nor have any of them been used for religious purposes... It is about the architecture as cultural art... I think the Christ statue would be fine...and I am quite positive Disney would never use it as a merchandising tie in... Sure TDO makes some odd decisions, but I don't think they would ever go that far....

You are correct, but that was a different era, unfortunately. Today, even those things would probably be controversial. A Jesus statute -- as much as I would love to see it -- ain't gonna happen. Just not worth the phony controversy that will be drummed up by those pretending to be offended.

 

[Sam Magic]

@Everyonewhodoesnotthinkthestatuewillbebuilt If people did not give a crap that Rio won the Olympics, people will not care about a Jesus statue. Most people who would be 'offended' are smart enough and cultured enough to understand it is a Brazilian icon. Disney understands this as well, they understand that it's a bit more than other religious buildings, so I doubt they will use it for marketing. At most I can see them using lights at night and during Illuminations, anything more would never happen. The statue is among the 7 New Wonders of the World and the official icon of Brazil, presuming that Brazil supports this effort I'm sure they would be out if Disney said, "Were not going to build the national icon of your country because a few Americans may find it offensive." If Brazil is constructed this will be made too, especially after the Olympics, there will be so many shots of it during the games that the public will get to know it. So let it go, it will be built if Brazil is built.

 

[Ignohippo]

World Showcase has a minaret tower in Morocco, Tori Gate and Temple in Japan, Campanile and Doge's Palace in Italy, Stave Church in Norway, Temple in China and a Mayan Temple in Mexico...The world showcase is rife with "religious" structures already, and they have never been used in a disrespectful manner...nor have any of them been used for religious purposes... It is about the architecture as cultural art... I think the Christ statue would be fine...and I am quite positive Disney would never use it as a merchandising tie in... Sure TDO makes some odd decisions, but I don't think they would ever go that far....

Are you Christian? Because I can tell you most people from any other religion (or atheists) would have an enormous problem with it.

It's a moot point. They would never put anything like the in WDW. Entirely too controversial for a number of reasons.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Why are people still speaking as though the Brazil Pavilion is an active project?

 

[dstrawn9889]

they would use forced perspective and make it a foot and a half tall.

 

[alphac2005]

Its strange seeing people say Doctor Who is a cultural icon for Britain when as a Brit myself I don't see it as such at all. Shakespeare, James Bond, The Beatles, Potter (Beatrix and Harry) all are cultural icons. Doctor Who? Not so much.

I think Martin is right. From a Brit's perspective I don't think its as popular or iconic as Americans seem to think it is. Then again an American has said to me that they thought One Direction is our best musical export ahead of The Beatles so maybe I don't know Americans as well as I think .

Quick observation from the States: For both work and (pleasure), I get access to a heck of a lot of content from the UK including live satellite feeds of anything from BBC channels to Dave. I think that for people who are actually pay attention the world (and yes, there aren't many here in this country), the ratings for shows like Doctor Who, Top Gear, Eastenders, etc. are so huge that you can at any given time have up to a fifth or quarter of the population watching the shows, it gives some people the concept of the shows being more of a phenom than they actually are.

Personally, I really like that most of Europe still has massive audience sizes for certain shows, giving a common interest, and something to chat about with so many, unlike how television has become so massively fragmented in the United States. A top rated show in the U.S. now might only have an audience of 1/20th of the population.

 

[Sam Magic]

Are you Christian? Because I can tell you most people from any other religion (or atheists) would have an enormous problem with it.

It's a moot point. They would never put anything like the in WDW. Entirely too controversial for a number of reasons.

Yeah that's why they have complained about it? Just screw it I'm not fighting about this, Ignorant is in your name, no need to for me to feed the hungry hungry hippotroll.

 

[Cesar R M]

I highlighted the rub for you. This is Disney. At some point, they would do something tacky to the statue. Like birthday cake Jesus or Magic Wand Jesus or BAH Jesus. You name it. They'll paint googly eyes on him to promote the direct-to-video release of Planes 3. Or have topiaries of Phineas and Ferb on either side of him. At some point, they would do something that would upset the faithful.

which means.. the best way to put the redeemer, is in a forzed view on top of a mountain.. nowhere near anything like what the images say (which put the redemeer in the center or front).
and the rest of the pavillion would be like either the rainforest full of tropical birds, churrasqueria infront, the soccer event & of course.. the carnaval.

 

[Cousin Huet]

World Showcase has a minaret tower in Morocco, Tori Gate and Temple in Japan, Campanile and Doge's Palace in Italy, Stave Church in Norway, Temple in China and a Mayan Temple in Mexico...The world showcase is rife with "religious" structures already, and they have never been used in a disrespectful manner...nor have any of them been used for religious purposes... It is about the architecture as cultural art... I think the Christ statue would be fine...and I am quite positive Disney would never use it as a merchandising tie in... Sure TDO makes some odd decisions, but I don't think they would ever go that far....

They wont do it because it is a Christian symbol and it would be a rather large and obvious one that would catch your eye from anywhere the location. I am an atheist myself but American culture, at least what is driven by the media, will do anything to ignore or attack Christianity while constantly promoting or defending other religions. Not sure why the culture has become so against its' own identity but many here reject anything that is tied to our own heritage as a nation. I hope I am wrong and they do use it because it would be quite an impressive site.

 

[GoofGoof]

Are you Christian? Because I can tell you most people from any other religion (or atheists) would have an enormous problem with it.

It's a moot point. They would never put anything like the in WDW. Entirely too controversial for a number of reasons.

Really? I can't see how you can speak for most people from other religions, but why do you have an enormous problem with it? The post you quoted listed several other prominent structures there that I have never heard anyone complain about. Do you have a problem with those structures too? In the countries they represent religion is entwined with culture so IMHO they are not just appropriate, but essential. This is no different.

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion just trying to understand why you have an enormous problem with it.

 

[Darth Sidious]

Marry would work more than the Doctor (which would need updating with each regeneration), it's also a film Americans can relate to and it's actually based and focused on England. Not the universe at large.

I've always thought Mary Poppins could be a brilliant and enjoyable attraction between the iconic status of the film and the catchy/well known music. I'd rather it be in DHS because it's such a display of Hollywood but I wouldn't complain too much if it were in EPCOT. (though only Julie Andrews has anything to do with the UK... Oh and PL Travers).

 

[SteamboatStitch]

If Brazil is constructed this will be made too, especially after the Olympics, there will be so many shots of it during the games that the public will get to know it. So let it go, it will be built if Brazil is built.

So let it go, it will be built if Brazil is built.

let it go

Sorry, couldn't help myself, that is where my brain went.

 

[Ignohippo]

Yeah that's why they have complained about it? Just screw it I'm not fighting about this, Ignorant is in your name, no need to for me to feed the hungry hungry hippotroll.

Excuse me? Expressing a contrary opinion does not make someone a troll. And as far as ignorance goes, your post is as ignorant as it gets.

Christian people not understanding what the problem with something like this would be is the same as a white person saying "Oh well, let's hang the confederate flag in EPCOT. Black people won't mind and if they do, they're ignorant."

It's incredibly myopic.

 

[Ignohippo]

Really? I can't see how you can speak for most people from other religions, but why do you have an enormous problem with it? The post you quoted listed several other prominent structures there that I have never heard anyone complain about. Do you have a problem with those structures too? In the countries they represent religion is entwined with culture so IMHO they are not just appropriate, but essential. This is no different.

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion just trying to understand why you have an enormous problem with it.

Quite simply, because I am Jewish and I've had the Catholic religion shoved down my face my whole life (no disrespect to the Catholic or Christian religions or the people who follow it, I've just had many not-so-nice experiences of people trying to "convert" me). I have the ultimate respect for other faiths and the right of everyone to choose to pray (or to not pray) as they like but that doesn't mean I want to pay $100 for a ticket to an amusement park and have a 100 ft tall statue of Jesus staring down at me.

It's something you simply can't understand unless you've had the experiences I, or someone of a minority religion, have had. It is exactly why I'll never be able to understand what a black or gay person has gone through. I can have compassion, I can listen, I can be educated, but I'll never really know.

If I go to Rio then I understand that I am on their turf and I have made the choice to visit. The statue is an important part of their culture and I completely respect that. That doesn't mean I think it should be replicated at WDW.

The other buildings that have been mentioned are just that: buildings. If they built a replica of Westminster Abbey or the Sistine Chapel, then I would have no problem with it – they're beautiful structures and people can choose to go in or not go in. A huge statue of Jesus, on the other hand, isn't something that you could choose to see or to not see. Whether it would be their intention or not, replicating that statue would have enormous religious implications.

 

[alissafalco]

@Everyonewhodoesnotthinkthestatuewillbebuilt If people did not give a crap that Rio won the Olympics, people will not care about a Jesus statue. Most people who would be 'offended' are smart enough and cultured enough to understand it is a Brazilian icon. Disney understands this as well, they understand that it's a bit more than other religious buildings, so I doubt they will use it for marketing. At most I can see them using lights at night and during Illuminations, anything more would never happen. The statue is among the 7 New Wonders of the World and the official icon of Brazil, presuming that Brazil supports this effort I'm sure they would be out if Disney said, "Were not going to build the national icon of your country because a few Americans may find it offensive." If Brazil is constructed this will be made too, especially after the Olympics, there will be so many shots of it during the games that the public will get to know it. So let it go, it will be built if Brazil is built.

I hope you're right.

 

[CDavid]

Christian people not understanding what the problem with something like this would be is the same as a white person saying "Oh well, let's hang the confederate flag in EPCOT. Black people won't mind and if they do, they're ignorant."

It's incredibly myopic.

No, that's not the same thing at all.

 

[Sam Magic]

Excuse me? Expressing a contrary opinion does not make someone a troll. And as far as ignorance goes, your post is as ignorant as it gets.

Christian people not understanding what the problem with something like this would be is the same as a white person saying "Oh well, let's hang the confederate flag in EPCOT. Black people won't mind and if they do, they're ignorant."

It's incredibly myopic.

Yes it's obvious what the controversy would be, however if this nation is that ignorant to other nations and cultures then this country is in big trouble. It's obvious from your second post that you respect other faiths, but the point of WS is not to replicate other places, but to provide samples of nations in order to educate people on their cultures. The statue is an essential piece of Brazilian culture and would be essential to place in a Brazilian pavilion.

Comparing this to the CSA flag is comparing apples to oranges a national icon and wonder of the world to a racist flag of a non existent nation.

 

[Ignohippo]

No, that's not the same thing at all.

How is to not the same thing?

 

[Sam Magic]

How is to not the same thing?

Because the CSA does not exist, secondly this:

Was not the official flag of the CSA so if the CSA was a nation this flag would not be placed in the park this one would:

Also, the statue is an OFFICIAL ICON of the nation not to mention an OFFICIAL wonder of the modern world, to not include it would be an insult to Brazil. If people thought it would cause controversy then the IOC would not let them hold sports at it's feet, or American TV would not use it in advertisement of the games. It is a recognizable icon of the nation...final.

 

[GoofGoof]

Kinda old, but still interesting:

http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2006/06/06/2772.aspx

I know this is all just a pipe dream and not likely to happen, but I'd take any of the 3 pavilions presented here (Israel, Spain or Africa) or Brazil over 1 new ride. With the number of Brazilian tourists at WDW it would probably be the front runner.