Project Z

[flavious27]

I think before HKDL thinks second gate they need to make the first gate much more successful. They have yet to hit their attendance projections since its opening in 2005. Add in the fact Disney is already adding three new lands to HKDL plus building a second Chinese park in Shanghai; I don't foresee HKDL getting a second gate anytime in the near future.

Well a second gate increases people's stays at the hotels, which would help out with the attendance of the resort and parks. I know that there are about four areas "planned" to complete the rest of dlhk.

I can understand why shanghai is being built, china has a billion citizens and a large amount of them live in the 800 miles between these two parks. I wonder how shanghai will effect dlt, especially if they want to eventually get three gates at shanghai.

 

[misterID]

Well a second gate increases people's stays at the hotels, which would help out with the attendance of the resort and parks. I know that there are about four areas "planned" to complete the rest of dlhk.

I can understand why shanghai is being built, china has a billion citizens and a large amount of them live in the 800 miles between these two parks. I wonder how shanghai will effect dlt, especially if they want to eventually get three gates at shanghai.

I think he's saying that with the money they're sinking into HKDL and Shanghai at the moment, they want to see how successful the additions are before they put even more bread into another theme park there. That would be 2 new theme parks back to back.

They need to start thinking AK and EPCOT before any new themeparks are built. DLP could make a case too, but i believe there are plans for that resort.

 

[flavious27]

I think he's saying that with the money they're sinking into HKDL and Shanghai at the moment, they want to see how successful the additions are before they put even more bread into another theme park there. That would be 2 new theme parks back to back.

They need to start thinking AK and EPCOT before any new themeparks are built. DLP could make a case too, but i believe there are plans for that resort.

well the money behind both resorts is from state owned companies, so china could cover the cost of plussing out dlhk.

 

[cheezbat]

I think he's saying that with the money they're sinking into HKDL and Shanghai at the moment, they want to see how successful the additions are before they put even more bread into another theme park there. That would be 2 new theme parks back to back.

They need to start thinking AK and EPCOT before any new themeparks are built. DLP could make a case too, but i believe there are plans for that resort.

Obviously being an American, it disappoints me to see Disney really only looking at massive growth out in Asia, but I get it.

Also, Tokyo obviously does not need any help with their parks. They're doing fine. Disneyland and California Adventure have seen alot of love as of recent, and Hong Kong Disneyland is getting three new lands so they don't need anything for the coming 7-10 years.
The parks that really need something RIGHT NOW are Animal Kingdom, Walt Disney Studios Paris, and Disney's Hollywood Studios. If something doesn't happen soon at those three parks, I see some decline in attendance...and WDS already is SEVERELY lacking in attendance already.
I also think Disneyland Paris could use another E ticket, and so could the Magic Kingdom and Epcot to really beef up those resorts.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well a second gate increases people's stays at the hotels, which would help out with the attendance of the resort and parks. I know that there are about four areas "planned" to complete the rest of dlhk.

A second gate at Hong Kong Disneyland right now has the potential to be a bust. The park does have a bit of a reputation for not offering much. Build another small park and people feel even more ripped off. Build a fully fleshed out park (not something Disney is keen on paying for) and it makes Hong Kong Disneyland look bad and only strengthens the perception that there is not much offered.

 

[flavious27]

A second gate at Hong Kong Disneyland right now has the potential to be a bust. The park does have a bit of a reputation for not offering much. Build another small park and people feel even more ripped off. Build a fully fleshed out park (not something Disney is keen on paying for) and it makes Hong Kong Disneyland look bad and only strengthens the perception that there is not much offered.

So damned if you do and damned if you don't?

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

If something doesn't happen soon at those three parks, I see some decline in attendance...and WDS already is SEVERELY lacking in attendance already.

Oh but they did expand WDS with this spectacular, state-of-the-art, breathtaking TOY STORY PLAYLAND *tadaaah*.

Just kidding of course.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

A second gate at Hong Kong Disneyland right now has the potential to be a bust. The park does have a bit of a reputation for not offering much. Build another small park and people feel even more ripped off. Build a fully fleshed out park (not something Disney is keen on paying for) and it makes Hong Kong Disneyland look bad and only strengthens the perception that there is not much offered.

Very true. Sadly, Disney doesn't seem to have learned anything out of the DCA-desaster. They would have spared millions of bucks, if they would have built it as a fully equipped park instead of the cheap half-a....ed version from the beginning instead of having to invest another 1.1 billion to bring in the crowds.

 

[skimbob]

Very true. Sadly, Disney doesn't seem to have learned anything out of the DCA-desaster. They would have spared millions of bucks, if they would have built it as a fully equipped park instead of the cheap half-a....ed version from the beginning instead of having to invest another 1.1 billion to bring in the crowds.

Disney's biggest mistake at DCA was not having Disney characters when it first opened. They started with some good rides like TOT, Soarin, Grizzly Falls and California Screamin but they didn't flesh the rest of it out. Right now they are making huge changes that I think will make the park as good as DL. With the addition of LM and CL the park will take off.

I am also excited to see the huge changes being made at WDW. If I were to make a suggestion for a ProjectZ I would say what about an intense Mulan ride. Think about it being somewhere around POTC and the jungle cruise. If it didn't fit in that park it could work nicely in AK.

 

[wedenterprises]

Disney's biggest mistake at DCA was not having Disney characters when it first opened. They started with some good rides like TOT, Soarin, Grizzly Falls and California Screamin but they didn't flesh the rest of it out. Right now they are making huge changes that I think will make the park as good as DL. With the addition of LM and CL the park will take off.

I am also excited to see the huge changes being made at WDW. If I were to make a suggestion for a ProjectZ I would say what about an intense Mulan ride. Think about it being somewhere around POTC and the jungle cruise. If it didn't fit in that park it could work nicely in AK.

ToT opened 3 years later. It isn't as good as the WDW version.

The best part of DCA is Grizzly River Run. They should have taken this theme and run with it, theme the entire park to National Parks across America.

 

[aladdin2007]

Disney's biggest mistake at DCA was not having Disney characters when it first opened. They started with some good rides like TOT, Soarin, Grizzly Falls and California Screamin but they didn't flesh the rest of it out. Right now they are making huge changes that I think will make the park as good as DL. With the addition of LM and CL the park will take off.

I am also excited to see the huge changes being made at WDW. If I were to make a suggestion for a ProjectZ I would say what about an intense Mulan ride. Think about it being somewhere around POTC and the jungle cruise. If it didn't fit in that park it could work nicely in AK.

I always wanted to see a Mulan dark ride, but Disney doesnt even really recognize this movie anymore, which is sad when it was made right here at hollywood studios. It seems like if its not pixar pixar pixar then forget movie attractions from the traditional past. Although we are finally getting the little mermaid ride.

 

[flavious27]

Disney's biggest mistake at DCA was not having Disney characters when it first opened. They started with some good rides like TOT, Soarin, Grizzly Falls and California Screamin but they didn't flesh the rest of it out. Right now they are making huge changes that I think will make the park as good as DL. With the addition of LM and CL the park will take off.

I am also excited to see the huge changes being made at WDW. If I were to make a suggestion for a ProjectZ I would say what about an intense Mulan ride. Think about it being somewhere around POTC and the jungle cruise. If it didn't fit in that park it could work nicely in AK.

EPCOT really did not open with disney characters and it really does not have many as part of theme of the current attractions.

Lack of disney characters is not what sunk DCA, it was a small budget that resulted in cheap rides with theming that was not appealing to guests. It also did not help that it has less attractions than dl; if they offered a reduced price, 2 day no park hopper package, guests would not have felt so cheated.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I am also excited to see the huge changes being made at WDW. If I were to make a suggestion for a ProjectZ I would say what about an intense Mulan ride. Think about it being somewhere around POTC and the jungle cruise. If it didn't fit in that park it could work nicely in AK.

I would love a Mulan-ride, I consider the movie to be one of the best Disney movies of the last three decades and also one of the best Disney classics ever.
But the Chinese background would be completely misplaced in the AL. Much better in the Chinese pavillon at WS, it would be the first addition to the WS since Reagan was president.

And I agree that Cars Land will be a huge improvement for DCA but the cheap attractions and a lot of other mistakes were more responsible that the lack of Disney Characters. Think about it, the most successful MK-classics are NOT based on a movie but were newly designed by WED: PotC, HM, Space Mountain, JC, BTMR.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

ToT opened 3 years later. It isn't as good as the WDW version.

Exactly and why? Because Eisner (again!) scaled it down and then he complained about it being to short after he did it the first time.
This scaling down of breathtaking attractions also hit other rides in other parks, especially Mission Space, that was actually crippled compared to the original design.

 

[Figment571]

^ I've never really understood what all was supposed to be in Mission: Space. I've liked it but always thought there could be so much more to it. Do you have any of the details of the original plans?

 

[puntagordabob]

Exactly and why? Because Eisner (again!) scaled it down and then he complained about it being to short after he did it the first time.
This scaling down of breathtaking attractions also hit other rides in other parks, especially Mission Space, that was actually crippled compared to the original design.

as the next poster asked...I too would love to know what was supposed to really be in M:S

 

[flavious27]

I would love a Mulan-ride, I consider the movie to be one of the best Disney movies of the last three decades and also one of the best Disney classics ever.
But the Chinese background would be completely misplaced in the AL. Much better in the Chinese pavillon at WS, it would be the first addition to the WS since Reagan was president.

And I agree that Cars Land will be a huge improvement for DCA but the cheap attractions and a lot of other mistakes were more responsible that the lack of Disney Characters. Think about it, the most successful MK-classics are NOT based on a movie but were newly designed by WED: PotC, HM, Space Mountain, JC, BTMR.

Or they could use some of the old animation buildings to showcase disney animation that does not fit into mk.

 

[flavious27]

as the next poster asked...I too would love to know what was supposed to really be in M:S

ditto

 

[Glasgow]

Phew, finally finished reading the majority of this thread. Tron .. yawn. To me this is a pretty mediocre film series, but meh .. if it brings an E-ticket to MK, fine by me. Its a really good fit for TL.

For those looking for M:S concept info, check here http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=467757

 

[misterID]

^ I've never really understood what all was supposed to be in Mission: Space. I've liked it but always thought there could be so much more to it. Do you have any of the details of the original plans?

Basically it would be the same thing you got. There was a space pavilion planned at one time that would've had a dark ride in it.