Project Gemini Revealed

[Raidermatt]

Who has walked through FW in the evening? There are much fewer people there than at any other park.

It closes at 7pm. Also, people are heading to WS for dinner, Tapestry and Illuminations. Unless they take those things away, I doubt that will change much.

And what about thrill rides? Test Track keeps constant 1hr to 2hr+ wait times all day.
Most other attractions are walk on all day.

Test Track also has a much lower capacity that SE for example. Further, you are comparing lines for the newest major attraction in Epcot to lines for attractions that are 10, and even 20 years old. Perhaps if they built a true epic, non-thrill E-ticket, it would draw lines as well... Unfortunately, they have not done that, but have drawn the conclusion that it won't work.

So, in conclusion, I love Epcot as it is today, but it is too old for its time and defiinitely needs Project Gemini.

I agree that it is old, and in need of updates and additions, but Project Gemini is not the best solution.

 

[twistedmickey]

After reading the possibilities of Project Gemini I am left to wonder how many Imagineers who worked on creating EPCOT are currently working for Disney?

A rollercoaster in FutureWorld? The Little Mermaid at EPCOT? Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? I do agree with the name change. I do agree that a Soarin type ride would be great. But a rollercoaster? I just dont see it.

I am glad to see that EPCOT is getting the attention it deserves. I just get the feeling MGM will be the next park left to ruin. :brick:

 

[Testtrack321]

Bet lots of people are wating for my review of this plan.

Overall, I think it's good. Granted, I'm not thrilled about replacing SSE (can't they just update the omni-mover ride system to work quieter and more effecient?) and the new Vekoma SLC infront of Land or the Jr Autopia at TT. I like Soarin and love the idea for more green, but please keep some of the old Republican future. That's what's sooooo cool about it.

But hey, I like the ideas of riding Segways... I just wonder where he got that idea... :lol:

 

[ToTBellHop]

If you will allow me to, I will now quote very famous words from Roy Disney, as he opened the Magic Kingdom Park:

"Walt Disney World is a tribute to the philosophy and life of Walter Elias Disney … and to the talents, the dedication and the loyalty of the entire Disney organization that made Walt Disney's dream come true. May Walt Disney World bring Joy and Inspiration and New Knowledge to all who come to this happy place … a Magic Kingdom where the young at heart of all ages can laugh and play and learn -- together.”

He said that regarding the Magic Kingdom--learning together. The new proposal has attractions that have a Magic Kingdom feel, yet Roy would argue you are learning. Seeing as my three year old nephew rode Test Track last year, I am led to believe (with the exception of the coaster), all of these attractions will be places for the "young at heart of all ages [to] laugh and play and learn--together." Seeing as I don't see the Jr. Autopia showing up, it seems all of these attractions (again, besides the coaster) will be geared toward most of Epcot's guests--Soarin', Under the Sea, the hedge maze, Innoventions Version 3.0 and, to a great extent, Time Racers--it will certainly be no more selective in audience than Matterhorn is.

 

[JasonCajun]

I do want to say this. I love Rollercoasters. Theres nothing like the thrill of going at high speeds, dropping great distances and genuinely being scared.

However, Epcot is not the place for ocasters, at least open air coasters. Peraps it could be done in some way that fit in with the theme of the park, but I just cannot see it.

I know Epcot needs some things updated. I suppose its the feeling that I am losing part of my childhood when something like SPaceship earth gets changed. I have always loved Ecpot, it has been my favorite park even when I was a child. I just wish the old id not have to get thrown out all the time to make way for the new.


But changes do have to happen I suppose. I just hope that these changed are done well, and in the spirit of Epcot. No more DInoland USA or whatever that abherration in AK is please.

 

[Main Street USA]

Originally posted by Favrefire4
Your coment you just made is totally in necessary. You did need to be that rude to me but you are entiteld to your opinion. I would like to hear what you think about the hole thing as everyone's opinion is equally as important. That was just my opinion and you don't have to listen to one bit of it. Thanks. This is to Main Street and no one else. So you guys don't all freak out on me.

This is for you and figment99. The BOTH of you were blatantly rude to everyone else in saying things like "you guys have this totally wrong," and "get over it."

NEITHER of you know more than anyone else, and in this case probably even less. Yet you insist on marching in and telling everyone how it actually is? Please.

My rudeness is hard to come by. You can ask most people on these boards and they'll tell you the same, but I won't let people waltz on here and start talking to people that have been here a while like they're stupid.

 

[Rider]

To anyone who might doubt the space: http://www.pdq.com/mlw/new-over-old.png

Now... (IMO) Walt, if he were alive today would have torn down Mr. Lincoln and Pirates and Haunted Mansion if there was something better he could have put in. He wouldn't care how "classic" is was, he was interested in a show, and keeping it fresh.

Look what he changed at Disneyland. Imagine if Tomorrowland was the same as the day it opened. Imagine if he never built a new land for Pirates because it would have ruined the look of the park.

Think ahead 100 years.... do you think ANYTHING will be the same? Do you think any of this can last forever? Change happens. I wouldn't be surprised to see a "New Discoveryland" plan in 30-40 years.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Fievel]

I agree with MSUSA 100%. The different levels of maturity have really shown themselves on this thread. We have the adults trying to explain why this is a bad idea. Mainly because we see it from a different vantage point. We go to Epcot because it's NOT like all the other coaster/thrill parks out there. We don't go there because we need our stomachs pushed up through our eye sockets.

You want to know thrill? Watch a 6 year old going on SE for the first time. Watch their wonder as they gaze at their surroundings.

Epcot never has and never should be built around the teenage demographic. Want to know why? Because sooner or later, you'll all turn into one of us. Some of you may not want to acknowledge it, or even act like it, but some day most of you will be forced to grow up a little bit.

I'm sick and tired of people telling people how they should feel. This is an old message that some of you apparently haven't heard. The next person that tells me how I should think will find out exactly what I DO think.

I guess I can sum this up in one easy thought for you teenagers:

Don't like Epcot? Good. I don't like hearing people like you walk around grumbling while I'm there enjoying myself anyway. Go to IOA and leave me alone.

 

[CTXRover]

I realize I haven't posted a lot, but I've actually been a member since early 2001 and a daily visitor. I figured I have to say something about everything I've read in this thread.

First, to all of us who absolutely LOVE Epcot the way it was/is. I can remember being 8 years old and remembering my favorite ride being Horizons, especially with the Orange smell. Also, we had a running joke among our family that the Caveman in World of Motion who was "blowing on his feet" was all of us at the end of a day at Epcot. However, I have seen the times change and with it the "interests" of Disney's audience.

I wish I could still ride those wonderful attractions, but the demographics of today's society are changing and Disney needs to change with them or they will find themselves wondering where everyone went.

My best example, when I graduated from High School in 1999, 4 of my buddies and I went to Disney World to "celebrate". While we were there, I had my first "Negative" Epcot experience. Not one person in my grouped liked it (except me). I couldn't believe it, this was the park I had talked to them so much about. What wasn't there to like? I now realize that it was because Epcot wasn't presenting anything "out-of-this world" to them. And likewise, many of the younger generation today feel the same way. Well, you could say, let them go to IOA or Busch Gardens and leave Epcot for the rest of us. The problem, these same people in 10 years will be bringing their own families to Disney. When my friends have families of their own, will they bring their family to Epcot? Maybe, but they will always remember from their first experience that it was "boring" and nothing special (I for one STILL DISAGREE with that)

Thus, it brings me to this whole idea of changing things at Epcot. As one imagineer said on a Travel Channel Special "it is harder to impress people these days". In order to insure that Epcot will continue to entertain guests into the far future, they need to present a new reason for "my generation" to come. Unfortunately, it seems that the classic omnimover rides just don't impress many people anymore as they did in the 80's/early 90's.

In my heart I will always have the fond memories of Epcot of the past, but I embrace the future and the potential changes that it could bring. I only hope that impressing people doesn't mean thrills. My challenge to the imagineers: Make an attraction that will blow the socks of even the greatest thrill seeker, but that a 1 year old can ride. Impossible you say? Remember what Walt Disney said (and the quote from Horizons): "If you can dream it....You can do it!"

 

[darthdarrel]

MArk one up for Fievel! HERE HERE!
I to don`t want to see Epcot turned into a thrill park,Eventhough I love roller coasters as much as you young kids,Epcot is NOT and I hope Never will be a thrill park,It`s A THEME park. Now Be quiet before I hit you with my cane!:lol:

 

[figment99]

Different levels of maturity? I don't go out of my way to patronize every single person I see on this board. I'm not the one yelling at youngsters posting yet another thread on rumors about monorail expansion. You think I"m rude? I'd be very surprised if some of these people on these boards were CMs. The fact that we're even using this forum to flame people is a testament to our "maturity." You know what? I'm leaving until people's attitudes change. I believe that would be the "mature" thing to do.

And I apologise to the _real_ adults on this thread--NowInc, Grizzlyhall, and of course Steve who put up with you all.

 

[mkt]

figment99,

you stand warned. Shape up, or ship out. People have been booted from these boards for less.

 

[darthdarrel]

Originally posted by mktiggerman
figment99,

you stand warned. Shape up, or ship out. People have been booted from these boards for less.

And this is coming from a CM!
HI ROB!:wave:

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by figment99
Different levels of maturity? I don't go out of my way to patronize every single person I see on this board. I'm not the one yelling at youngsters posting yet another thread on rumors about monorail expansion. You think I"m rude? I'd be very surprised if some of these people on these boards were CMs. The fact that we're even using this forum to flame people is a testament to our "maturity." You know what? I'm leaving until people's attitudes change. I believe that would be the "mature" thing to do.

And I apologise to the _real_ adults on this thread--NowInc, Grizzlyhall, and of course Steve who put up with you all.

Using this forum to flame? Who made the original comment that started it all. - "Get over it - it'll happen whether you want it to or not"

Never tell others what to think or what to do. This is one board that enforces a little bit of manners. I suggest you find them.

 

[Main Street USA]

Originally posted by figment99
Different levels of maturity? I don't go out of my way to patronize every single person I see on this board. I'm not the one yelling at youngsters posting yet another thread on rumors about monorail expansion. You think I"m rude? I'd be very surprised if some of these people on these boards were CMs. The fact that we're even using this forum to flame people is a testament to our "maturity." You know what? I'm leaving until people's attitudes change. I believe that would be the "mature" thing to do.

And I apologise to the _real_ adults on this thread--NowInc, Grizzlyhall, and of course Steve who put up with you all.

I'll add a warning to that. You're talking to the people who keep this forum running with financial contributions, and with other unseen contributions as well.

The points I made in my previous post weren't opinions, they were fact. There really isn't any debate that you talked down to everyone who didn't support your point of view. The fact is you won't last long anywhere talking to people like that.

 

[CTXRover]

As I said I bit earlier in this thread, I haven't posted a lot but I've been a member for over two years. Why so long to post you ask? Well, for the exact thing that just happened in this thread.

I by no means condone what figment99 did or said, but I often do see new people come onto this forum, unaware of the knowledge most of the "regulars" have, only to be shut out for their comments. I fear that many of the "new folks" that come on leave shortly after because they often get the feeling that their comments have no merit because they aren't "a regular". (You might not mean it intentionally, but there is definitely that vibe)

I mean no offense to anyone. I have more respect for the so-called "regulars" than you could imagine. If it wasn't for you guys, we wouldn't even know what's going on at WDW.

 

[CTXRover]

Oops, one more thing. Let's try to get this thread back onto its original focus. Have a Zip-a-Dee-Doh-Dah-Day!!!!

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by CTXRover
As I said I bit earlier in this thread, I haven't posted a lot but I've been a member for over two years. Why so long to post you ask? Well, for the exact thing that just happened in this thread.

I by no means condone what figment99 did or said, but I often do see new people come onto this forum, unaware of the knowledge most of the "regulars" have, only to be shut out. for their comments. I fear that many of the "new folks" that come on leave shortly after because they often get the feeling that their comments have no merit because they aren't "a regular". (You might not mean it intentionally, but there is definitely that vibe)

I mean no offense to anyone. I have more respect for the so-called "regulars" than you could imagine. If it wasn't for you guys, we wouldn't even know what's going on at WDW.

Well to be honest, it's not intentional. I'm probably one of the more forgiving guys on the boards. I just have very little tolerance for when opinions aren't respect or are simply looked at as pure wrong. We'll all have our off moments and our bad days, but if anyone gets attacked, I'm usually on the front lines.

It's all about respect. Give it and get it. Just like in life. These boards are no different. There seems to be the "don't mess with me because I'm a big shot on the internet" mentality that comes over from other places. That simply isn't tolerated here.

If you're here to have fun and goof off a bit, you'll fit right in. If you're going to be constantly argumentative and non-respecting, then you'll find trouble

 

[Raidermatt]

My challenge to the imagineers: Make an attraction that will blow the socks of even the greatest thrill seeker, but that a 1 year old can ride.

Exactly! It CAN be done.

...it seems all of these attractions (again, besides the coaster) will be geared toward most of Epcot's guests--

Soarin' Over California does have a 40" height requirement. From the description of Time Racers, I'd be surprised if it didn't have a height requirement as well.

See, I don't disagree with the idea that entertainment from 20 years ago isn't going to pull folks in like it did 20 years ago. I just disagree with how to update it. Yes, new effects are required beyond what went into Pirates 40+ years ago, but by the same token, there is something to be learned from attractions like Pirates, HM, and SE. They remain popular because they relied on STORY and the "SHOW" to entertain, not on a physical experience. They find ways to get at our real emotions, not just make our stomachs feel funny.

Its not that there isn't a place for an occasional height restriction, but the three real potential E-tickets in this plan will likely include such restrictions. In addition, the last two major additions to Epcot will be height restricted rides that replaced non-restricted rides (TT and M:S).

Not only are they shutting out the kids and the motion-averse, they are substituting physical thrills for real effort and creativity. That's what this is really about.

 

[CTXRover]

Originally posted by Fievel


If you're here to have fun and goof off a bit, you'll fit right in

Well, I think then I've been in the right place all along