Possible Frontierland expansion

lazyboy97o

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I tend to think it's much more future proof because of it, as it is clearly a fantasy version of the future, whatever the present is like.

With MK so heavily being a fantasy based park it makes sense that TL should not aim to reflect reality too much. For me that was always the FW part of Epcot's role but we all know how that's turned out.
And yet even Discoveryland is not all that focused these days (although the back was always disconnected).

Not in America, I don't think. That would be a wonderful idea for one of the Asian parks, though (similar to how they went with something avant garde for Paris' castle--they have real castles in France and we have the real West...or had).
Huh? Discovery Bay is not about the real west and it was designed for Disneyland.

They moved the Festival of the Lion King to make way for Avatar, Small World is a lot less expensive than that
Nope, nope, nope. Festival of the Lion King is a repurposed parade that was presented in a shed.
 

jt04

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Not only is this simply untrue, but even if it were it would not afford Disney anything they would consider to be worth the investment of moving Small World.

Festival of the Lion King is a Stage Show, and as far as the infrastructure of Disney stage shows go, it's a fairly traditional one. There are no crazy lifts in the stage, no unusual engineering to the theater -- every component of that show is designed to have been loaded in when they needed to and taken out when it's time to remove the show. The scenic elements are on wheels; many of them are old Parade floats, literally designed to be moved from place to place.

It's a Small World was and is not similarly designed - it is a huge animatronic production filled with heavy machinery and large, bolted-down set pieces in a purpose-built building that was designed to be flooded and be as permanent as can be until they decide to demolish it at great expense or close the park and let the ride rot with it.

The new theater for Festival of the Lion King was designed with this particular show in mind, but a Theater is by it's nature a flexible space, and you better believe they designed it in the understanding that they may one way wish to put another show in there. Small World was designed to last until the building fails or until the end of time, whichever comes first. In Tokyo, it seems, the former is winning that race.

BUT, even IF Disney moved Festival of the Lion King, think about what they got out of it. For the several millions they spent building the new Theater, they got a space in their theme park ready to handle this and whatever the next show one day is, but also the chance to expand their fledgling park in the best possible way, with a visible franchise taking up that newly available prime real estate so that the overall park can more efficiently make back the money that has been invested in it.

Magic Kingdom has no such issues. Beyond the park having plenty of more accessible real estate for them to build upon, Magic Kingdom is making BANK. There is NO financial incentive to undertake worth that exhaustive, and no creative reason either. If they're willing to shoehorn Frozen into Norway, then no idea they have is in their mind *so perfect* for that spot that they wouldn't dream of finding another place to build it before tearing down one of their most enduring and endearing classic attractions and putting it there.

The cost then, further that the demolition costs, to rebuild Small World somewhere else would be SO much higher than building a new theater for FOLK that it's not even funny. Tokyo is making this investment solely because the alternative is to let the attraction fail, and they are thankfully unwilling to do so. If they could keep their Small World running in it's current location until the end of days they would be more than thrilled to do so. The fact is, they can't, so they're taking advantage of the situation.


TL;DR - It ain't happenin'. Ever.

IaSW generates little in the way of gift sales. By removing it they could greatly expand FL by adding franchises that generate considerable sales. It makes sense from a business standpoint. It also would make the MK more aesthetically pleasing and comfortable for guests. There are plenty of good reasons to remove it.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
IaSW generates little in the way of gift sales. By removing it they could greatly expand FL by adding franchises that generate considerable sales. It makes sense from a business standpoint. It also would make the MK more aesthetically pleasing and comfortable for guests. There are plenty of good reasons to remove it.
If there are good reasons to move it, you've yet to name one.
Not every attraction needs to be tied to merch sales. If so, we might as well remove Jungle Cruise, the Tree House, Tiki Room, Splash, Big Thunder, Country Bears, Hall of Presidents... Should I keep going?
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
If there are good reasons to move it, you've yet to name one.
Not every attraction needs to be tied to merch sales. If so, we might as well remove Jungle Cruise, the Tree House, Tiki Room, Splash, Big Thunder, Country Bears, Hall of Presidents... Should I keep going?

None of those create they logistical issues the IaSW does. It creates a bottleneck and makes expansion more difficult.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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A ride about world peace definitely belongs in "Fantasy" land.

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Capsin4

Well-Known Member
The opening sequence of TS3 or something similar could make an interesting attraction, though I prefer something more historical based.
 

prfctlyximprct

Well-Known Member
Maybe there's truth to the monorail expanding after all. Maybe, just maybe, you will start out on a Conestoga wagon train, and then suddenly get shot into a galaxy far, far away which will be Star Wars land at DHS. Sounds about as probable as rides changing parks.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Premium Member
IaSW generates little in the way of gift sales. By removing it they could greatly expand FL by adding franchises that generate considerable sales. It makes sense from a business standpoint. It also would make the MK more aesthetically pleasing and comfortable for guests. There are plenty of good reasons to remove it.
Seriously? You've always been overly optimistic, but occasionally sensible.
Now you're just constantly spouting nonsense.

Get rid of IaSW because it doesn't generate merch. sales? It's a classic. It's a people eater. It's family friendly.
Next, you're going to suggest that the entire Splash Mountain should be re-themed. Oh ... wait!
 

Sage of Time

Well-Known Member
Not in America, I don't think. That would be a wonderful idea for one of the Asian parks, though (similar to how they went with something avant garde for Paris' castle--they have real castles in France and we have the real West...or had).
oh, no way. It'd fit perfectly here. Baxter designed it during the bicentennial. It's Americana, distilled into a fantasyland-esque setting.
 

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