PigletIsMyCat
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also, awesome job saying that people who have what they consider valid safety concerns have serious mental problems. really compassionate and openminded. oh, and super offensive.
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also, awesome job saying that people who have what they consider valid safety concerns have serious mental problems. really compassionate and openminded. oh, and super offensive.
You forgot the real puzzler... if I try to run over a police officer in my car they will file charge against me for assault with a deadly WEAPON... which of course is the car or truck I happen to be in... so shouldn't Disney ban all cars because they are in fact weapons? or at least could be used as deadly weapons.
xdan0920
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I think, logically, Disney is far better off drawing the line of what's allowed inside the park at "knives" and not "knives of a certain length".
If someone is worried about something legitimate then I have no problem... but a pocket knife isn't a weapon anymore than a phone book. Neither was designed to be used to kill someone with, but you could do so with either one if you tried... probably more easily with a phone book than a pocket knife.
PigletIsMyCat
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again, that's your opinion to the legitimacy of someone else's concern. calling them seriously mentally ill is disgraceful. i'm guessing that was supposed to be an insult? in reality, it was rude and pretty insensitive. to say that someone should be institutionalized for their opinion. //endrant
draybook
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I can agree with this. They need to update their policy to actually say knives, because had something been done to the OP it could have led to a legal mess.
Mr. Pricklepants
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I believe Disney moms are not the official decision makers of WDW since they refer people to go to allears for help.
My problem is the definition of the word weapon. In my opinion a weapon, is not a pocket knife. it's a tool. If security stops someone to look at a knife to make sure it is not more than a tool and lets them go then it's ok to have it. Should the Op gone up to another security guard to ask, "hey I was told that it was ok to take this into the park, but is it really ok?" What then if that person says yes, it's ok? Does he then go around asking everyone in the park if it's ok? If anyone, the security should know the rules about what's a weapon and a tool and it seems that Disney also agrees that it's a tool.
But yes maybe you need to teach your kid(s) common sense like not to play with tools or weapons, even if never come across the pond again. Tools are not toys.
ZodIsGr8
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I did not read through all 12 pages of this post so this may have already been discussed here, but this post brings up a whole other issue. If you are not carrying a bag or backpack you can just walk right through security without being checked at all. What is to stop someone from having a gun, knife, whatever, etc in their pockets. I always think about that when i see someone walking through the no baggage line. On my last trip thanks to FP+ and Magic Bands I found myself being able to go through the no baggage line for the first time ever and was amazed that I was not given a second look by anyone. I was wearing cargo shorts with several pockets that could easily hide a weapon. All the baggage checks in the world will not do you nay good if John Smith walks in with a gun in his pocket. I am not advocating for metal detectors or anything else, I am just making a point about the security policy for entering the parks. Maybe I am missing something on how they observe non baggage guests, but I know that I was able to just walk right in. If someone has inside information I would appreciate hearing it.
slappy magoo
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Right, so they have the luxury of adapting the definition in different scenarios. For example, the OP probably seemed like a sane and sober fellow so the Security Guard didn't feel it was a danger giving back his knife and asking him to just keep it all the way in his pocket. Whereas if some ominous-looking "someone else" who didn't respectfully answer the guard's question aroused suspicion, the guard at his discretion could have said "we consider this a weapon and will hold it until end of day at which point you can come pick it up."
One day such a vague policy might bite them in the butt, if say two people with the exact same knife on a hook on their belt try to enter but only one person's knife is held by Security. But until then, it's what they've decided to do.
IWantMyMagicBand
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You're missing the point. I don't stop them playing with a stuffed tiger in case one escapes from it's enclosure.
I shouldn't have to teach my kids about dangerous items if they aren't ordinarily in contact with them. The know not to play with the tools in the shed, for instance, but they are locked away anyway. I will teach my kids for the life skills they need for their usual lives, I should not have to teach them for every single eventuality.
BigTxEars
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So you are basically saying the suicide didn't happen just because I can't pull up a news article?
Who is talking about the suicide? I was referring to the lack of any reports of stabbings since 1981 and almost 1 billion guest ago.
cw1982
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Actually, my DH and I both do... when I'm not at work. In fact, I deliberately only carry when I can have it on me (holstered into my clothing) or in specific purses that I know I won't take to work. Then again, I'm a teacher, so I could get in trouble if I accidentally took one with me on campus. DH works in an environment where he's allowed to carry, so he does. However, he also goes in and out of court houses pretty regularly and has not once forgotten to leave his firearm in the car when needed. (ETA: DH and I have already talked about our trip to WDW this June and agreed that we will be leaving the firearms in our hotel room. WDW's website says the room will have a safe in it; if not, we'll keep them stowed in their locked boxed in a drawer. No big deal.)
I still say, though, that people are missing the point that WDW is well within their rights to say "no knives" without using measurement stipulations, and that anyone who risks getting caught breaking that rule should not be surprised if they are asked to leave if they do get caught. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with carrying a small knife, especially pocket knives that have to be folded open, but it's just like anything else. If you're going to risk having a consequence, you can't get upset when the very thing you're risking happens. If I decide to risk getting a speeding ticket by driving over the speed limit, I can't be too upset with the police officer who pulls me over, as long as he or she does their job appropriately. Rules are rules.
Kinda entertaining to read some of the offshoots going on in this thread though... lol!
BigTxEars
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A form which leads to a national background check before the gun can be purchased by the buyer. Do you have a better suggestion?
BigTxEars
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I see it as some folks who don't carry pocket knives saying that some of us who do are borderline crazies who might at any moment start stabbing people who get our desired place to watch a parade at WDW.
AndyS2992
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No. You said my story was not a 'fact' and therefore a lie because there were no reports of further stabbings. Well there were no reports for the suicide and going by your logic of 'no reports, it never happened' the suicide didn't happen either. Just because stabbings haven't been reported does not mean they have not happened.
People pass driving tests and still purposely run over people. A form means nothing.
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slappy magoo
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I'm sure many kids die each year or get traumatized due to things a parent never thought to teach them how to do or NOT to do because it seemed like such a no-brainer not to do it. Eating pills because they look like candy? Duh, they're pills! Hel-LLLOOOOO! Don't eat 'em, they're not candy! But then enough kids died that people started going "maybe we should warn kids about this, maybe make it harder to open the bottles." Every kid knows that the chemicals under the sink aren't Kool-Aid! Except the kid that didn't. Everyone teaches their kid about Stranger Danger, but not every parent thinks to teach them that what we fear a stranger might do to them is many times more likely to be attempted by someone we know and trust so they should always let us know if someone tries to touch them in a bad way. All of this stuff used to be "eh I don't need to tell my kid that" nonsense. Now you're a bad parent if you don't bring it up.
Last time we were in WDW, my daughter went "ooh, Daddy, what's that?"
"That" was a loogie someone hocked up. We're on line for Barnstormer and me without anything to wipe the kids' hands with and she decides spit is pretty.
Not that I'm saying spit needs to be outlawed nor am I saying it was spit with intent to kill. But a: I never thought I'd have to warn my daughter not to touch spit, or bird poop on the swings or the dead bird on the sidewalk or tons of other things I figured a kid would know not to touch just because ick that I subsequently had to tell her. And b: would it kill people to spit somewhere where people won't have to deal with their kids potentially touching it? Or maybe just not spit? Like I said, things you don't think about until you do.
BigTxEars
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I am fine with that. Texas is well armed, no denying the facts. Because we are so well armed we don't consider a tiny 3" blade much of a weapon
Now those socialist hippies in those other areas are just the opposite, so anything outside of a dull butter knife is death incarnate to them!
Just kidding to my socialist hippies friend BTW
I am very very biased on the subject being from Texas, heck we started and won a pretty fair war over it....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gonzales
So I freely admit my close mindedness about it
BigTxEars
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Again you have a better suggestion? If they pass the background check they have no record of issues that would prevent from from buying a gun. So what would you suggest instead of the background check?
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