Pocket knives at the parks

[draybook]

Who is talking about the suicide? I was referring to the lack of any reports of stabbings since 1981 and almost 1 billion guest ago.

Yeah but remember, that stabbing was at DL, not WDW. So it's not so relevant.

 

[Master Yoda]

A form which leads to a national background check before the gun can be purchased by the buyer. Do you have a better suggestion?

A licence program similar to a drivers licence that must be periodically renewed and would requiring showing competency in gun safety, mental competence, etc. as well as closing of the loop holes such as gun shows, private sales, etc that circumvent the 4473.

But that will never happen as it would not be allowed per the 2nd amendment.

 

[slappy magoo]

I see it as some folks who don't carry pocket knives saying that some of us who do are borderline crazies who might at any moment start stabbing people who get our desired place to watch a parade at WDW.

That's because your reading comprehension is low. Most of us are asking "why do you need to bring a knife at WDW?" I get it, you ALWAYS carry your knife. Well, when I go to and from work I ALWAYS carry my laptop, yet I manage to leave it in the room during a day in the parks because I've no need for it. I'm sure I could imagine SOME need for it, some maybe-just-in-case-and-aren't-I-glad-I-have-it scenario. But ultimately, I don't have an issue leaving it behind. There's no need for it, and if you lose it it'd suck, and if someone found it who didn't know how to respectfully handle it bad things could result, so really, leaving it in your room so it's not an issue for Security or for you if you momentarily lose it or anyone else is probably OK for you to do...

Unless you're one of those guys who doesn't FEEL like a guy if he doesn't have his knife with him. His little 3 inch knife that wouldn't hurt a fly yet you really are putting up a fuss about not carrying it for some reason. I mean, it's either a big deal to you or it's not. If it's a big deal, no sense arguing about it with a bunch of people who disagree. And if it's not a big deal, leave it behind, end of discussion.

 

[BigTxEars]

No. You said I was basically saying my story was not a 'fact' and therefore a lie because there were no reports of further stabbings. Well there were no reports for the suicide and going by your logic of 'no reports, it never happened' the suicide didn't happen either. Just because stabbings haven't been reported does not mean they have not happened.


People pass driving tests and still purposely run over people. A form means nothing.

OK if you want to play the what if game we can do that. But that goes both ways. I can make up all kinds of what ifs to show you why guest should be allowed to carry firearms in the parks for personal protection. But like your "have not been reported" stabbings they would carry no real weight in this debate because they are just conjecture.

 

[BigTxEars]

A licence program similar to a drivers licence that must be periodically renewed and would requiring showing competency in gun safety, mental competence, etc. as well as closing of the loop holes such as gun shows, private sales, etc that circumvent the 4473.

But that will never happen as it would not be allowed per the 2nd amendment.

Not sure about anywhere else but in Texas you don't do anything to renew your drivers license, no written test, no driving test, no vision test nothing etc.

How are you going to close loop holes in private sales? That is impossible IMO. And gun shows are under the same requirements of the 4473 as any other firearm sellers.

 

[flynnibus]

I still say, though, that people are missing the point that WDW is well within their rights to say "no knives" without using measurement stipulations, and that anyone who risks getting caught breaking that rule should not be surprised if they are asked to leave if they do get caught

Please point me to a post in this thread where someone is challenging Disney's right to have such a policy.

You also won't find Disney poicy saying "no knives" - it says "no weapons". See - https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/parks/restricted-personal-items/

The bulk of the discussion in this thread is over people classifying a pocket knife as a weapon and people's perceptions towards pocket knives... not challenging Disney's policy. Which by Disney's own actions, is NOT classifying a pocket knife as a weapon by allowing it into the park. If the OP was carrying a pistol, the security CM would not have let him pass because he didn't seem like a threat..

 

[EOD K9]

That's because your reading comprehension is low. Most of us are asking "why do you need to bring a knife at WDW?" I get it, you ALWAYS carry your knife. Well, when I go to and from work I ALWAYS carry my laptop, yet I manage to leave it in the room during a day in the parks because I've no need for it. I'm sure I could imagine SOME need for it, some maybe-just-in-case-and-aren't-I-glad-I-have-it scenario. But ultimately, I don't have an issue leaving it behind. There's no need for it, and if you lose it it'd suck, and if someone found it who didn't know how to respectfully handle it bad things could result, so really, leaving it in your room so it's not an issue for Security or for you if you momentarily lose it or anyone else is probably OK for you to do...

Unless you're one of those guys who doesn't FEEL like a guy if he doesn't have his knife with him. His little 3 inch knife that wouldn't hurt a fly yet you really are putting up a fuss about not carrying it for some reason. I mean, it's either a big deal to you or it's not. If it's a big deal, no sense arguing about it with a bunch of people who disagree. And if it's not a big deal, leave it behind, end of discussion.

Can we get a ruling from the crowd here on multi-tools? A multi-tool is just that...a tool.....a laptop is really only good for computing.

 

[slappy magoo]

Can we get a ruling from the crowd here on multi-tools? A multi-tool is just that...a tool.....a laptop is really only good for computing.

I could use it as a shield in the event a person off his meds finds a knife some careless clod left behind on a ride.

 

[EOD K9]

Actually, my DH and I both do... when I'm not at work. In fact, I deliberately only carry when I can have it on me (holstered into my clothing) or in specific purses that I know I won't take to work. Then again, I'm a teacher, so I could get in trouble if I accidentally took one with me on campus. DH works in an environment where he's allowed to carry, so he does. However, he also goes in and out of court houses pretty regularly and has not once forgotten to leave his firearm in the car when needed. (ETA: DH and I have already talked about our trip to WDW this June and agreed that we will be leaving the firearms in our hotel room. WDW's website says the room will have a safe in it; if not, we'll keep them stowed in their locked boxed in a drawer. No big deal.)

I personally wouldn't leave my sidearm in the hotel's lock box. There are too many CMs that have access to that area. I would however bring my gun lock and then lock it in the hotel room....and it would also come in handy to be locked in their safe if your room doesn't have one.

 

[BigTxEars]

That's because your reading comprehension is low. Most of us are asking "why do you need to bring a knife at WDW?" I get it, you ALWAYS carry your knife. Well, when I go to and from work I ALWAYS carry my laptop, yet I manage to leave it in the room during a day in the parks because I've no need for it. I'm sure I could imagine SOME need for it, some maybe-just-in-case-and-aren't-I-glad-I-have-it scenario. But ultimately, I don't have an issue leaving it behind. There's no need for it, and if you lose it it'd suck, and if someone found it who didn't know how to respectfully handle it bad things could result, so really, leaving it in your room so it's not an issue for Security or for you if you momentarily lose it or anyone else is probably OK for you to do...

Unless you're one of those guys who doesn't FEEL like a guy if he doesn't have his knife with him. His little 3 inch knife that wouldn't hurt a fly yet you really are putting up a fuss about not carrying it for some reason. I mean, it's either a big deal to you or it's not. If it's a big deal, no sense arguing about it with a bunch of people who disagree. And if it's not a big deal, leave it behind, end of discussion.

Well you can be a jerk all you want and try and insult me, but I was not aware we were going down that road.

And stop the what if someones finds it mess, it's a knife not a bomb. Get real. Give me your worst case scenario if someone find a pocket knife.

It's a big deal when closed minded people like yourself think they have the right to dictate to other what they can and can not do that has zero to do with them. If I carry or do not carry a knife it has zero bearing on your day at the park.

And here we go with the insults implying that the knife is somehow tied to our manhood. Typical.....

 

[5thGenTexan]

I'll chime in.... I have carried a knife every day for the last 20 something years. I bought a Swiss Army Knife in Yellowstone on a vacation and its what I carry. Two blades, screwdrivers, scissors, crummy toothpick, even crummier tweezers. I use my knife almost every single day for something. What makes a day in a theme park any different than any other day when use the blade point to pick something out of a tight spot? Use the scissors to cut one of those nylon strings that tags are attached to that my kid was playing with and got wrapped around his finger really tight. It was a good thing I had my knife handy that day. My Swiss Army Knife is NOT a weapon nor was it designed to be a weapon. It was designed as a tool. Anything and everything can be used as a weapon depending on the intent of the individual. I am not sure that I should be held responsible for the intent that others MIGHT have.

If Disney doesn't want knives in the park, they need to explicitly state the policy.

 

[flynnibus]

I can agree with this. They need to update their policy to actually say knives, because had something been done to the OP it could have led to a legal mess.

There would be no legal recourse - they don't need an explict written policy to ban the item. The point of policies is to avoid because accused of something else and to provide a means to combat liability.

Their policy also has a catch-all they could apply "Additional items may also not be permitted inside the theme parks. Please use your best judgment and do not bring anything that may be potentially harmful or disruptive"

At the end of the day.. unless you are claiming discrimination against protected classes... they can basically say "If you don't like it, please leave"

 

[EOD K9]

I could use it as a shield in the event a person off his meds finds a knife some careless clod left behind on a ride.

Could you then go on the offensive and hit someone upside the head with it? Or is this thread "knives (or laptops) for defense only"

 

[BigTxEars]

I could use it as a shield in the event a person off his meds finds a knife some careless clod left behind on a ride.

Hope that person off his meds does not have a steak dinner at WDW, that steak knife has a 5" blade on it!!!!

 

[AndyS2992]

Hope that person off his meds does not have a steak dinner at WDW, that steak knife has a 5" blade on it!!!!

Can everyone just stop with the sarcastic comments. They are not funny, helpful or useful to the 'discussion'. Personal attacks also need to stop. Where are the mods at anyway?

 

[cw1982]

I personally wouldn't leave my sidearm in the hotel's lock box. There are too many CMs that have access to that area. I would however bring my gun lock and then lock it in the hotel room....and it would also come in handy to be locked in their safe if your room doesn't have one.

When I said that about lock boxes, I meant the boxes that DH brings with him when we go on trips. They are the typical, hard carrying cases that have a padlock on them. I should have been more clear. We would put those boxes in a drawer under clean clothes or leave them in our luggage.

But yeah, we're definitely not making the 8-hour drive without having a way to protect ourselves.

 

[BigTxEars]

What about those of us who like to pass the time in line with some whittling and maybe stabbing a few folks? Whos standing up for our rights, huh?

Who is stabbing who at WDW, are we still on the 1981 example?

 

[IWantMyMagicBand]

I'm sure many kids die each year or get traumatized due to things a parent never thought to teach them how to do or NOT to do because it seemed like such a no-brainer not to do it. Eating pills because they look like candy? Duh, they're pills! Hel-LLLOOOOO! Don't eat 'em, they're not candy! But then enough kids died that people started going "maybe we should warn kids about this, maybe make it harder to open the bottles." Every kid knows that the chemicals under the sink aren't Kool-Aid! Except the kid that didn't. Everyone teaches their kid about Stranger Danger, but not every parent thinks to teach them that what we fear a stranger might do to them is many times more likely to be attempted by someone we know and trust so they should always let us know if someone tries to touch them in a bad way. All of this stuff used to be "eh I don't need to tell my kid that" nonsense. Now you're a bad parent if you don't bring it up.

Last time we were in WDW, my daughter went "ooh, Daddy, what's that?"

"That" was a loogie someone hocked up. We're on line for Barnstormer and me without anything to wipe the kids' hands with and she decides spit is pretty.
Not that I'm saying spit needs to be outlawed nor am I saying it was spit with intent to kill. But a: I never thought I'd have to warn my daughter not to touch spit, or bird poop on the swings or the dead bird on the sidewalk or tons of other things I figured a kid would know not to touch just because ick that I subsequently had to tell her. And b: would it kill people to spit somewhere where people won't have to deal with their kids potentially touching it? Or maybe just not spit? Like I said, things you don't think about until you do.

Oh I get what you are saying, but all those things you mentioned, happen in the UK too along with dog poop, condoms in parks etc and we do leave the house on the occasions that I have not wrapped the kids in cotton wool so we have encountered such things. We go to LEGOLAND at least once a month, Chessington in between (it's not that bad). But I don't feel I should have to prepare them for the one in a million chance that security waived through a rule breaker. My kids don't need to know what guns and knives do as they are 8, 5 and 3. A game of stick 'em up with a toy gun just means "I'm pointing this as you and this has authority". I genuinely believe they don't know what it does (think Toy Story 3 opening scene role play). My 3 year old plays knights and stabs me with his pretend knife just under my armpit. He would do the same with a real one if found on WDW property as WDW is a fun place. It would be interesting to see what another forum with mainly non-Americans would think of those that carry knives. It would also be interesting to know what Disney actually class as a weapon in today's terms.

 

[BigTxEars]

Can everyone just stop with the sarcastic comments. They are not funny, helpful or useful to the 'discussion'. Personal attacks also need to stop.

Please tell me the difference between the person finding a pocket knife and going crazy and the steak knives at every table service at WDW? I'll wait.....

 

[BigTxEars]

Yeah but remember, that stabbing was at DL, not WDW. So it's not so relevant.

Oh, Ok so what are we at regarding WDW ? 1 Billion + unstabbed guest