Pocket knives at the parks

[EOD K9]

When I said that about lock boxes, I meant the boxes that DH brings with him when we go on trips. They are the typical, hard carrying cases that have a padlock on them. I should have been more clear. We would put those boxes in a drawer under clean clothes or leave them in our luggage.

But yeah, we're definitely not making the 8-hour drive without having a way to protect ourselves.

Put those boxes in the safe if they fit. They also make steel cables that attach to the lock box and can attach them to something that cannot be moved. Unfortunately, even under the bed or in a drawer, that box, unless tied down, can still find its legs. I'm just trying to help as I have carried to WDW in the past.

 

[AndyS2992]

Oh, Ok so what are we at regarding WDW 1 Billion + unstabbed guest

You don't know that.

 

[BigTxEars]

You're missing the point. I don't stop them playing with a stuffed tiger in case one escapes from it's enclosure.
I shouldn't have to teach my kids about dangerous items if they aren't ordinarily in contact with them. The know not to play with the tools in the shed, for instance, but they are locked away anyway. I will teach my kids for the life skills they need for their usual lives, I should not have to teach them for every single eventuality.

Like I posted the U.K. and the U.S are two different societies. In many parts of the U.S. their may not be a gun in their home but chances are there are in the homes of their friends.

 

[slappy magoo]

Well you can be a jerk all you want and try and insult me, but I was not aware we were going down that road.

Well by being all knee-jerk reactionary, lumping everyone who disagrees with the idea of bringing your knife into WDW into one big "we think you're crazy" group wasn't exactly the high-road either.

And stop the what if someones finds it mess, it's a knife not a bomb. Get real. Give me your worst case scenario if someone find a pocket knife.

I won't give you my worst case scenario because I have an overactive imagination and can come up with all sorts of twisted crap. But here's a general scenario - a very small kid finds it, thinks it's a fake knife because of all the fake swords in the park, decides to play Captain Hook with it and stabs someone with it. It's not a deep wound, but it nicks a major artery. The person doesn't die, but does have to be stabilized and stitched up at the hospital. That person then sues Disney, not you, because Disney's pockets are deeper, so Disney then institutes a new rule that no knives of any kind are allowed in the parks and then YOU WILL SIMPLY DIE WITHOUT YOUR PRECIOUS WIDDLE KNIFE, that's somehow, simultaneously, NOT a big deal, and at the same time SO important to you you'll defend your right to keep it on your person for page after page on a Disney fan forum.

It's a big deal when closed minded people like yourself think they have the right to dictate to other what they can and can not do that has zero to do with them. If I carry or do not carry a knife it has zero bearing on your day at the park.

What I've written - time and time again - is that my opinion doesn't mean diddly. It's Disney's house, Disney's rule, follow them or risk being ejected like any of their other rules. Hence, the "reading comprehension" comment earlier.

And here we go with the insults implying that the knife is somehow tied to our manhood. Typical.....

Hey, YOU'RE the one that doesn't want to be without your knife. I'm fine without one.

 

[BigTxEars]

You don't know that.

Until you post a example of one I am sticking to it...see what I did there...sticking to it?

I do not know for a fact that a charging rhino has not killed someone at Animal Kingdom, but until I see a story on it I will assume it has not occurred.

The fatty foods at WDW kill more people each year than knives at the parks, and you ain't touching my fatty foods!

 

[cw1982]

Put those boxes in the safe if they fit. They also make steel cables that attach to the lock box and can attach them to something that cannot be moved. Unfortunately, even under the bed or in a draw, that box, unless tied down, can still find its legs. I'm just trying to help as I have carried to WDW in the past.

Definitely. Thank you for the tips!

 

[Master Yoda]

Not sure about anywhere else but in Texas you don't do anything to renew your drivers license, no written test, no driving test, no vision test nothing etc.

How are you going to close loop holes in private sales? That is impossible IMO. And gun shows are under the same requirements of the 4473 as any other firearm sellers.

I said similar to the DL program, not the same. Renewal would require retesting, new back ground checks, etc.

Personal sales would have to be done through a neutral third party. That third party would required to confirm the validity of the buyer. Given today's technology, this should be able to be done with access to a website.

Most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals, federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks.

In the 60's that meant anyone who sold more than 4 guns a year had to be a licensed dealer. The 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act lifted that and many other many restrictions and loosely defined private sellers as people who do not rely on gun sales as the principal way of obtaining their livelihood.

Last time I looked only 5 states require all gun show sales go through a background check at gun shows regardless of the sellers classification.

 

[AndyS2992]

Until you post a example of one I am sticking to it...see what I did there...sticking to it?

I do not know for a fact that a charging rhino has not killed someone at Animal Kingdom, but until I see a story on it I will assume it has not occurred.

The fatty foods at WDW kill more people each year than knives at the parks, and you ain't touching my fatty foods!

LOCAL
Man Stabbed At Disney
August 15, 1994
A man was arrested Saturday night and charged with stabbing another man during a fight at Walt Disney World.Deputies said Darnell Michael Taylor, 34, of Boynton Beach stabbed Michael Nehme Rmeiti, 30, of Lake Worth three times with a pocket knife. He was charged with aggravated battery and remained in the Orange County Jail Sunday night on $2,500 bail.Taylor and Rmeiti had gotten into an argument earlier that night. Later, Rmeiti and his brother confronted Taylor, deputies said. Taylor told deputies he felt overpowered and so he stabbed Rmeiti in self-defense.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/charged-with-stabbing/recent/4

So ha. Angry man in possession of a pocket knife stabbed someone THREE times.

On the hunt for more examples.

 

[slappy magoo]

Could you then go on the offensive and hit someone upside the head with it? Or is this thread "knives (or laptops) for defense only"

My laptop is purely for defensive purposes. I use my wife's laptop as a weapon.

 

[BigTxEars]

Well by being all knee-jerk reactionary, lumping everyone who disagrees with the idea of bringing your knife into WDW into one big "we think you're crazy" group wasn't exactly the high-road either.

I won't give you my worst case scenario because I have an overactive imagination and can come up with all sorts of twisted crap. But here's a general scenario - a very small kid finds it, thinks it's a fake knife because of all the fake swords in the park, decides to play Captain Hook with it and stabs someone with it. It's not a deep wound, but it nicks a major artery. The person doesn't die, but does have to be stabilized and stitched up at the hospital. That person then sues Disney, not you, because Disney's pockets are deeper, so Disney then institutes a new rule that no knives of any kind are allowed in the parks and then YOU WILL SIMPLY DIE WITHOUT YOUR PRECIOUS WIDDLE KNIFE, that's somehow, simultaneously, NOT a big deal, and at the same time SO important to you you'll defend your right to keep it on your person for page after page on a Disney fan forum.

What I've written - time and time again - is that my opinion doesn't mean diddly. It's Disney's house, Disney's rule, follow them or risk being ejected like any of their other rules. Hence, the "reading comprehension" comment earlier.


Hey, YOU'RE the one that doesn't want to be without your knife. I'm fine without one.

Who lumped? I say "some" not all, go back and read what I posted.

We 100% agree on Disney making the rules, I said so many post ago. I don't carry at the parks because of that. I make that choice to go or not go based on those rules. When concealed carry first passed in Texas a few places posted signs that carrying was not allowed, I did not do business with them because of that. Now I don't carry who carries what at WDW, that is their business. But again the ideal that a 3" pocket knife = weapon is just not valid IMO. And it seems Florida law agrees with me

 

[slappy magoo]

Hope that person off his meds does not have a steak dinner at WDW, that steak knife has a 5" blade on it!!!!

Yeah, but those steaks cut like butter so the knives aren't nearly as sharp as yours, which I'm sure you keep oiled and filed to be a perfect tiny killing machine.

 

[BigTxEars]

LOCAL
Man Stabbed At Disney
August 15, 1994
A man was arrested Saturday night and charged with stabbing another man during a fight at Walt Disney World.Deputies said Darnell Michael Taylor, 34, of Boynton Beach stabbed Michael Nehme Rmeiti, 30, of Lake Worth three times with a pocket knife. He was charged with aggravated battery and remained in the Orange County Jail Sunday night on $2,500 bail.Taylor and Rmeiti had gotten into an argument earlier that night. Later, Rmeiti and his brother confronted Taylor, deputies said. Taylor told deputies he felt overpowered and so he stabbed Rmeiti in self-defense.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/keyword/charged-with-stabbing/recent/4

Cool now we are up to 1 in 1 billion guest, can somebody do the math on that because I sure can't work out that percentage. And look it might have been in self defense, what.....who would need to defend themselves at WDW?

So a possible self defense stabbing by one guy out of 1 billion guest reported so far. Not seeing a trend here....

.

 

[slappy magoo]

But again the ideal that a 3" pocket knife = weapon is just not valid IMO. And it seems Florida law agrees with me

And it's there that we come full circle. Because Disney is private property and is allowed to institute other restrictive policies and as long as they're not discriminatory (if say a white person and a black person come in carrying the exact same knife but only the black person is told he needs to let Security hold on to it, that could be a lawsuit waiting to happen), it's kosher. If you concede that Disney has the right to choose who carries what on their property then Florida law is irrelevant.

 

[flynnibus]

Can everyone just stop with the sarcastic comments. They are not funny, helpful or useful to the 'discussion'. Personal attacks also need to stop. Where are the mods at anyway?

If you feel the mods are needed - you need to use the 'report' link.

 

[BigTxEars]

Yeah, but those steaks cut like butter so the knives aren't nearly as sharp as yours, which I'm sure you keep oiled and filed to be a perfect tiny killing machine.

Wow you full of vinegar aren't you?

1. Last steak dinner I had at WDW was at Yachtsman, knife was plenty sharp.
2. What is is with you and you trying to link my pocket knife to my manhood? Heck if anything at least link one of my AR15s to it. I mean a little pocket knife? Come on don't be that cruel......

 

[flynnibus]

And it's there that we come full circle. Because Disney is private property and is allowed to institute other restrictive policies and as long as they're not discriminatory (if say a white person and a black person come in carrying the exact same knife but only the black person is told he needs to let Security hold on to it, that could be a lawsuit waiting to happen), it's kosher. If you concede that Disney has the right to choose who carries what on their property then Florida law is irrelevant.

Yet Disney is the one allowing people to enter the parks with the knives... it's the posters here claiming it shouldn't happen. So who is in control at Disney, Disney or the WDWmagic mob?

 

[BigTxEars]

And it's there that we come full circle. Because Disney is private property and is allowed to institute other restrictive policies and as long as they're not discriminatory (if say a white person and a black person come in carrying the exact same knife but only the black person is told he needs to let Security hold on to it, that could be a lawsuit waiting to happen), it's kosher. If you concede that Disney has the right to choose who carries what on their property then Florida law is irrelevant.

I could not agree more, we have established that. I am huge on private property rights.

 

[IWantMyMagicBand]

Like I posted the U.K. and the U.S are two different societies. In many parts of the U.S. their may not be a gun in their home but chances are there are in the homes of their friends.

True, but I'm not coming to someone's house in the US. I'm coming to WDW where I expect rules to be adhered to and my precious bundles kept as safe as I would do at home. I am very aware of the different cultures that visit WDW. Last time we visited, my eldest was 5. A gentleman from a different culture put his hand on my daughter's head and my dad wanted to slog him one for touching her. I smiled, moved her away and said to my dad that in his culture touching a child's head is lucky.
My point being, if you come to WDW it doesn't matter what country you have come from, be aware that that country does not exist the moment you step in the World, even if the World is in your homeland and there are some people that forget that.

 

[slappy magoo]

Yet Disney is the one allowing people to enter the parks with the knives... it's the posters here claiming it shouldn't happen. So who is in control at Disney, Disney or the WDWmagic mob?

Well clearly no one here is in control at Disney or else the wheels would be in motion to stop allowing any knives of any size in the park. But people are within their rights to say they don't think knives should be allowed in the parks, just like you're within your rights to be wrong.

 

[BigTxEars]

I said similar to the DL program, not the same. Renewal would require retesting, new back ground checks, etc.

Personal sales would have to be done through a neutral third party. That third party would required to confirm the validity of the buyer. Given today's technology, this should be able to be done with access to a website.

Most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals, federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks.

In the 60's that meant anyone who sold more than 4 guns a year had to be a licensed dealer. The 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act lifted that and many other many restrictions and loosely defined private sellers as people who do not rely on gun sales as the principal way of obtaining their livelihood.

Last time I looked only 5 states require all gun show sales go through a background check at gun shows regardless of the sellers classification.

FFLs selling at shows have all the same requirements on federal level as you posted. I do not think involving government in private firearms sales is realistic. I for one would prefer "loop holes" to an overly involved federal government.

As far as state governments goes, that is up to each to determine what they want to do. I care about Texas and only Texas in that regard as what they do in California for example does not effect me.

 

[draybook]

What I've written - time and time again - is that my opinion doesn't mean diddly. It's Disney's house, Disney's rule, follow them or risk being ejected like any of their other rules. Hence, the "reading comprehension" comment earlier.

Except that I've proven that Disney's "policy" is vague and open to interpretation. Honestly, if I was in the EHS department I would suggest simplifying the policy to include knives of any size if I didn't want there to be any gray area.