Pocket knives at the parks

[xdan0920]

Yet Disney is the one allowing people to enter the parks with the knives... it's the posters here claiming it shouldn't happen. So who is in control at Disney, Disney or the WDWmagic mob?

I wish I was in charge. I have some really excellent ideas to spruce up the joint.

 

[BigTxEars]

Well clearly no one here is in control at Disney or else the wheels would be in motion to stop allowing any knives of any size in the park. But people within their rights to say they don't think knives should be allowed in the parks, just like you're within your rights to be wrong.

I don't mind differing opinions than mine, I just am not going to let some folks imply (without responding) that people who do choose carry a knife must be on the verge of violence. It's a silly stereotype IMO. Like I posted I don;t even bring a knife or firearm with me to Florida, so I am not carrying in the parks.

Now if we ever drive instead of fly I will bring a gun in the car. I saw Deliverance, I am not driving those those hillbilly states unarmed!

I kid...I kid...

 

[flynnibus]

Well clearly no one here is in control at Disney or else the wheels would be in motion to stop allowing any knives of any size in the park. But people are within their rights to say they don't think knives should be allowed in the parks, just like you're within your rights to be wrong.

So you agree it's all hypothetical and you should drop Disney's policy out of the discussion all together as well as if pocket knives are 'weapons' at all. Accept the whole argument against knives at WDW is purely about people's distrust of them in a public place because you've just acknowledged they aren't arguing with Disney's stance.

Disney is no different in this matter than any other public place except it's a place of a narrow interest.

Taking this rational to its conclusion you should be against pocket knives being carried anywhere in public except places you think specifically require knives to participate.

 

[draybook]

And it's there that we come full circle. Because Disney is private property and is allowed to institute other restrictive policies and as long as they're not discriminatory (if say a white person and a black person come in carrying the exact same knife but only the black person is told he needs to let Security hold on to it, that could be a lawsuit waiting to happen), it's kosher. If you concede that Disney has the right to choose who carries what on their property then Florida law is irrelevant.

That's false. Private property doesn't override state law. At least not always. I can't give you my example, because apparently it's a trigger for one mod according to others, but trust me.

 

[BigTxEars]

True, but I'm not coming to someone's house in the US. I'm coming to WDW where I expect rules to be adhered to and my precious bundles kept as safe as I would do at home. I am very aware of the different cultures that visit WDW. Last time we visited, my eldest was 5. A gentleman from a different culture put his hand on my daughter's head and my dad wanted to slog him one for touching her. I smiled, moved her away and said to my dad that in his culture touching a child's head is lucky.
My point being, if you come to WDW it doesn't matter what country you have come from, be aware that that country does not exist the moment you step in the World, even if the World is in your homeland and there are some people that forget that.

You get a point in my book for using "slog him one"

Come to America, respect American culture. I do the same when I travel internationally. If someone does not like our culture they are free not to come here. There are a number of places in the world I would not travel to based on their culture. I sure would not travel there and try to impose my culture on them.

 

[BigTxEars]

That's false. Private property doesn't override state law. At least not always. I can't give you my example, because apparently it's a trigger for one mod according to others, but trust me.

True a slippery slope it is.

 

[BigTxEars]

OK I have to say, this thread is booming, I can't keep up in any kind of logical order. If i mis post or something I am sorry in advance

 

[IWantMyMagicBand]

You get a point in my book for using "slog him one"

Come to America, respect American culture. I do the same when I travel internationally. If someone does not like our culture they are free not to come here. There are a number of places in the world I would not travel to based on their culture. I sure would not travel there and try to impose my culture on them.

I may have a polite writing style but my native language is "sailor" and every once in a while it slips onto my keyboard

 

[BigTxEars]

I may have a polite writing style but my native language is "sailor" and every once in a while it slips onto my keyboard

I was in the Marines, I know a bit of "sailor" as well And honestly the Marines have words even the sailors don't know!

 

[slappy magoo]

So you agree it's all hypothetical and you should drop Disney's policy out of the discussion all together as well as if pocket knives are 'weapons' at all. Accept the whole argument against knives at WDW is purely about people's distrust of them in a public place because you've just acknowledged they aren't arguing with Disney's stance.

Again, for someone who loves to drop factoids and then get angry when those factoids are used against their own arguments, you're not very good at trying the same thing.

I love how a discussion can go on for 15 pages with varying people piping in their points of view, going off on subtopic tangents, arguments begetting different arguments, yet you assume everyone is on your page, and following the through-line of your "logic."

While I've been interjecting my opinion about bringing knives into the parks throughout the discussion, and why I think they could be a bad idea, the heart of my argument has been "Disney's house, Disney's rules." I try to use the same words each time because I'm hoping that it helps settle in. It's one of the few things in this discussion that BigTxEars and I agree agree upon. But yeah, I'm allowed to do both - defend Disney's position an MY opinion, even when they differ. And anyone else is allowed to do the same thing. For someone who goes off on so many different tangents, you really hate seeing other people multitask.

Disney is no different in this matter than any other public place except it's a place of a narrow interest.

Depends on the public place in question. Some of more restrictive than Disney's policies, others less so.

Taking this rational to its conclusion you should be against pocket knives being carried anywhere in public except places you think specifically require knives to participate.

No, it's not rational, in fact it's stupid. I'll even go so far as to suggest that in certain situations it might be a good idea to allow people at WDW to have a knife on them, but it doesn't change the fact that, being that it's private property, Disney is as within their rights to restrict knives (or knives of certain sizes) as any business office or strip mall or restaurant or multiplex.

 

[slappy magoo]

That's false. Private property doesn't override state law. At least not always. I can't give you my example, because apparently it's a trigger for one mod according to others, but trust me.

Sure, you're a stranger on the internet who apparently doesn't seem to know what he's talking about, why wouldn't I trust you?

 

[AndyS2992]

I don't mind differing opinions than mine, I just am not going to let some folks imply (without responding) that people who do choose carry a knife must be on the verge of violence. It's a silly stereotype IMO. Like I posted I don;t even bring a knife or firearm with me to Florida, so I am not carrying in the parks.

Now if we ever drive instead of fly I will bring a gun in the car. I saw Deliverance, I am not driving those those hillbilly states unarmed!

I kid...I kid...

This confuses me given everything you have said

I don't mind differing opinions than mine,

Then why argue with everyone who disagrees?

I just am not going to let some folks imply (without responding) that people who do choose carry a knife must be on the verge of violence. It's a silly stereotype IMO.

True, true, but not everyone who is carrying is of a sound mind and that is the scary part. You can't tell who is dangerous or not.

I don;t even bring a knife or firearm with me to Florida, so I am not carrying in the parks.

Thank you for doing this. But why are you promoting something if you yourself refuse to do it yourself?

Now if we ever drive instead of fly I will bring a gun in the car.

Nothing wrong with that as long as it is properly hidden and secured.

 

[IWantMyMagicBand]

You get a point in my book for using "slog him one"

Come to America, respect American culture. I do the same when I travel internationally. If someone does not like our culture they are free not to come here. There are a number of places in the world I would not travel to based on their culture. I sure would not travel there and try to impose my culture on them.

And on your edit point, if everyone did that then I wouldn't want to rely on tourism for my business. Amuricah specifically wants international tourists, Obama addressed that in his speech in 2012 (at WDW). What they don't show you in the adverts on TV in the UK is the rural farmboys with their utility tools popping them in their trousers and heading into Disney. I doubt the planes would be so full if they did. UK tourists would not be aware of knives being carried into the park as it's something most of us wouldn't even think of let alone do.

 

[BigTxEars]

And on your edit point, if everyone did that then I wouldn't want to rely on tourism for my business. Amuricah specifically wants international tourists, Obama addressed that in his speech in 2012 (at WDW). What they don't show you in the adverts on TV in the UK is the rural farmboys with their utility tools popping them in their trousers and heading into Disney. I doubt the planes would be so full if they did. UK tourists would not be aware of knives being carried into the park as it's something most of us wouldn't even think of let alone do.

No doubt, heck I never saw a mop or broom in those Marine Corps ads, saw a bunch after I got in though

I guess from Disney's point they should cater to international guest, i would if I were them. But from a American citizen viewpoint like mine I do not care for folks coming over here and trying to force their culture upon me. Like I said I never have when I was overseas nor would I ever, I just expect the same in return.

 

[IWantMyMagicBand]

No doubt, heck I never saw a mop or broom in those Marine Corps ads, saw a bunch after I got in though

I guess from Disney's point they should cater to international guest, i would if I were them. But from a American citizen viewpoint like mine I do not care for folks coming over here and trying to force their culture upon me. Like I said I never have when I was overseas nor would I ever, I just expect the same in return.

Every country should cater to the International Guest, it called Economics. You do know the world is not flat, right?

 

[AndyS2992]

Just emailed Disney World with my concerns as a UK guest regarding guests without bags entering the parks concealing firearms and knives without being searched and what are their policies on this and what are they doing to keep guests safe and how they deal with such individuals. If this page is still on page 1 when I get the response I will share it.

Should be interesting.

 

[Patrick_Ears]

Popcorn is great when reading comments.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I'm curious if Disney would set aside the knife rule if it were considered part of ones religion to have one. I understand that some religions include keeping knives or swords on ones person. Would they allow that if religion were involved?

 

[copcarguyp71]

i tend to carry pocketknives/multitools in my pocket, so I understand carrying one can be a habit; but at the same time, I don't see the need to bring one to the parks.

Yup...have one of these in my pocket every single day..

But the way I see it that is part of my work...that I WANT to leave behind at home. Plus I would have to pack it in a suitcase to get it through the airline and then start carrying it again. I have to say that I do understand being a creature of habit though and if I drove to WDW I actually might just plop it in my pocket out of habit more than anything. Kudos for honesty and being forthcoming though to the OP. I have tucked a camera in it's case in my cargo shorts to get past "guest with no bags" so OP is actually a stand up joe in my eyes.

Much ado about nothing...moving on

 

[BigTxEars]

This confuses me given everything you have said



1. Then why argue with everyone who disagrees?



2. True, true, but not everyone who is carrying is of a sound mind and that is the scary part. You can't tell who is dangerous or not.



3. Thank you for doing this. But why are you fighting for it if you yourself refuse to do what you are fighting for?



4. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is properly hidden and secured.

1. Not everyone, just post which I read as trying to hinder the rights of other based on preconceived ideals of what a pocket knife is.

2. Why limits the rights of everyone based on the actions of a small percentage. If carrying a knife had much if anything at all to do with stabbing people the population of Texas would be 50% of what it is now I just do not favor security over liberty at the end of the day. That is a slippery slope I want very little to do with. It's complex issue to say the least.

3. Because I follow the rules, but I am not concerned with folks who do not and carry a knife or even a firearm at WDW. I am familiar enough with both that they do not concern me. If some nut job decided to shoot up the park a Disney policy is not going to stop him. Look at the places where mass shooting happen, all gun free zones.....heck even our military bases (Ft Hood) are gun free in that regard. I for one am hoping the next mass shooting occurs (sadly there will be one I think) somewhere that is not gun free and the shooter gets a little or a lot of his own medicine from joe public. Every time I go to the movies I carry, and I think of those poor defenseless people in Colorado who were shot down defenseless. The theater I go to allows carrying, if it did not I would not go there. But if they were a no carry business and I did go for some reason and I found out the guy next to me was carrying it would not bother me. Not sure if that makes sense but I think we all have to follow our own path on things like this.

4. I agree, firearms need to be secured properly. They can be extremely dangers in the wrong hands. I do not see pocket knives the same though, just my view on them.