jt04
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They don't need them for the expansion plans. Or perhaps the new ballon ride was bought at Walmart.
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They don't need them for the expansion plans. Or perhaps the new ballon ride was bought at Walmart.
Lee
Adventurer
The balloon ride is the only part of their so-called "plans" that doesn't rely heavily on third party investment.
CaptainMichael
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WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Really?
Based on what logic? Disney's plans for The Site Formerly Known as PI are entirely dependent on third parties at this point. And you better believe they are crapping in their pants over the fact that NO ONE has signed up for PI (let's leave the disaster that was/is Flamingo Crossings out of this) since last fall. NONE.
You have a very strange definition of brilliant.
I guess Disney's plan all along was to shutter PI and have a vast wasteland between the Marketplace and DD with a few Disney crap carts and, in busy periods, a few bars open.
Funny ... I'm sure Home Depot planned to close those 48 stores all the time too.
jt04
Well-Known Member
All companies worth their salt have contingency plans. I'm sure HD had plans already drawn up.
As I have said the plan for DTD is long term. The fact 3rd party vendors have backed out won't stop the process.
Just slow it down a bit.:shrug:
jakeman
Well-Known Member
We don't have numbers to support either argument. So the two extremes, this is the best idea or the worst really cannot be made to any great effect.
Also, the term "walmarting" is cliché word vomit at this point and show a lack of individual articulation on ones particular gripe with WDW.
Also, the term "walmarting" is cliché word vomit at this point and show a lack of individual articulation on ones particular gripe with WDW.
jt04
Well-Known Member
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
Numbers are not needed. It is FACT that the "bold new vision" of DTD is 3rd parties. It is also FACT that said 3rd parties haven't signed. It is also FACT that 3rd parties are the only remaining businesses at PI. And it is another FACT that the majority of DTD is run by 3rd parties. Without 3rd parties, DTD doesn't exist save for World of Disney and a few other stores.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Yes. Most companies have plans for failure drawn up. And you can be sure even more stores will be shuttered and more folks will wind up jobless. At least Bush and Co left a legacy ... wonder if they bought a pic at EPCOT.
As I have said the plan for DTD is long term. The fact 3rd party vendors have backed out won't stop the process.
Where do you come up with this?
The plan was all contingent upon Disney signing 3rd parties ... and doing so within weeks (months at most). If no one signs then that WILL stop the process and Disney will have to rethink its plans for the island.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Watch and learn, that is all I can say. Watch and learn.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
No ... it isn't. Some fanboys may recoil at hearing it because it makes them doubt whether WDW is as magical as they believe ... but WalMarting is actually exactly what Disney is doing.
Homogenizing and dumbing down its product to the LCD ... that's what WalMart is all about.
CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
And I'm hoping that happens and that we'll get something more in the vein of what opened in 1989.
I've got my popcorn ready.
The only thing I've learned since September 27 is that no 3rd parties have signed up, and the Adventurers Club continues to make money beyond the grave as a great place to host convention and business parties...so much so that it's remaining in that capacity until October 1st.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
You know what the biggest problem is with your argument?
You're using FACTS.
It's much more fun to pull information out of your rectum and spread it around like it has some weight, instead of simply smelling.
EpcotServo
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First of all...I come in peace! Just wanna' throw this out there real quick 74'...
A: I have to say WalMarting IS a pretty stupid term. I have to give them that. I mean, it just doesn't work as a Verb or a "Buzz Word". I think the term "WalMarting" is "WalMarting" the situation itself, see what I'm saying?
:lol:
B: WDW isn't really in the process of "WalMarting", it should be argued that WDW itself is always in a constant state of Wal Mart. It delivers quantity over quality is the Wal Mart situation at Disney World if you ask me, not something that's happening more and more everyday, it's just always like that.
Anyways, continue!
jt04
Well-Known Member
I think politics are not welcome on these boards. You contadicted yourself here and with your HD comment earlier.
You say companies have plans for "failure" and then in the next paragraph say that Disney has no "plan b". So might I submit, there is a "plan b" for Disney going it alone reimagining PI, you are a mountain of contradictions, and finally, you are haughty to a fault.
Still waiting for you to pull out your oversold "pixie dust" joke for anyone who dares to disagree with you.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
"Walmarting" is a term you came up with to rally the naysayers on the board around you.
We don't have facts regarding the past of PI to determine if closing the clubs was the best decision.
Is the current situation ideal? No.
We simply don't have enough information about the big or long term situation to pass jdugement.
I'm not defending either side. I'm just saying we don't have enough information.
We don't have facts regarding the past of PI to determine if closing the clubs was the best decision.
Is the current situation ideal? No.
We simply don't have enough information about the big or long term situation to pass jdugement.
I'm not defending either side. I'm just saying we don't have enough information.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Just cause you are too jaded to enjoy the new KP Adventure, does not give you the right to take your frustrations out on others.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
No ... not really.
And since so many have picked up on my use of it ... since it even almost got an exec fired at TDO for bringing it up at a meeting ... since it has become known and talked about in Glendale and Burbank ...
I understand the term has both power and legs and will continue to use it. I may well use it on a book I am thinking about writing as well ... so feel free to like it, dislike it or not give a damn because it ain't going anywhere.
B: WDW isn't really in the process of "WalMarting", it should be argued that WDW itself is always in a constant state of Wal Mart. It delivers quantity over quality is the Wal Mart situation at Disney World if you ask me, not something that's happening more and more everyday, it's just always like that.
Anyways, continue!
WDW is constantly lowering the bar and making its product more humdrum ... more homogenized (Disney Parks anyone?) ... more average ... again, that is WalMart.
And, no, WDW wasn't always this way ... but you know that.
Lee
Adventurer
Ummm...not according to some WDI folks I talked to.
I asked directly "What are they going to do with PI now that the plans they had fell through".
The answer, from two different imagineers (cut and pasted here):
Imagineer 1 - "Good question. Even they don't know what to do now."
Imagineer 2 - "Please. You assume that they knew what they were doing in the first place. The only option, and one that they are trying to avoid to save face, is to reopen at least some of the clubs. They might actually do it, but they won't like it"
So, if by "Plan B" you mean backtracking and maybe re-opening a club or two....then yeah. Otherwise, nope.