Plan C for Pleasure Island

[Lee]

And I thought I broke the news about the wand? Or put another way... Track records are good should one need to prove it.

As I recall, you were both among the first with the wand news, just posting on two different sites.
All while Corrus was arguing the other way.:lol:

 

[devoy1701]

Not everyone though you were nuts... I knew why I took a last ride on Jaws last September

And I thought I broke the news about the wand? Or put another way... Track records are good should one need to prove it.

BTW... What happened to our new member here? Has he been avenged? I take one GMT induced sleep and someone's suddenly conspicuous by their absence.

it went down last night in the Avatarland thread. Unfortunately there was one casulty...

 

[maxairmike]

Two items that I mentioned are consistant in all of the concepts: structured parking and the new exit off of I4. This exit should releave a lot of tourist raffic on 535. The new exit is planned between TDO and Typhoon Lagoon.

Are you sure it's an entirely new exit, or just a widening and modification to add a third secondary off-ramp (westbound) to the current 536/Epcot exit? Changing the signage to reflect the 536 as the "only" DTD exit for eastbound I-4 traffic would make sense then, as 536 can handle the additional traffic, and another separate eastbound exit there would be a lot of trouble.

A completely separate exit overlapping the current 536 exit (which is what is currently on I-4 in that stretch of land) doesn't seem practical from either a navigation or construction view. An improvement and expansion of the current 536 ramps makes more sense for directing traffic to DTD.

I suppose they could go double stacked like some highways I've seen, but I really don't see a reason to do that. I can't imagine the costs for that kind of a project either (or the Florida ground supporting it), and without seriously disrupting the traffic flow which is already bad enough on that stretch of I-4.

 

[Mouse Detective]

Are you sure it's an entirely new exit, or just a widening and modification to add a third secondary off-ramp (westbound) to the current 536/Epcot exit?

Since the on-ramp from SR 535 onto westbound I-4 quickly becomes the off-ramp onto northbound Epcot Center Parkway, there is no room in there for an entirely new exit. There would have to be a major reconfiguration of the SR 535 interchange to accomplish this, something that's not a bad idea either. Perhaps it will be reconfigured as a dual-purpose interchange with flyover ramps to both directions of SR 535 as well as ramps heading directly into DTD. Or it could be as you suggest with modifications to the 536/EPCOT exit.

 

[jt04]

Awe ... JT is back ... and still such a hoot. Still have that mancrush on me ... you'll have to get in line. Lots of pretty fanbois (and even a few hotties of the female persuasion) are in the queue ahead of you ... but you can enjoy the interactive toys that WDI installed to keep you entertained.

Like I said, you, boy, you are a HOOT!:wave:

~Posters are fair game~

Dude you have to take all of your meds and not just the "pretty colors" ones. That way you won't beclown yourself as you have done here.

But I am glad we are back on talking terms. :wave:

 

[marni1971]

There would have to be a major reconfiguration of the SR 535 interchange to accomplish this...

There would be. Whilst not on the level of the I-4 widening some of the ramps would be reconfigured and re directd.

And the World would get another arch.

Devoy; thanks for the heads up.

Lee.... Now I see. And sorry Corrus! (btw where are ya?)

 

[raven]

Any idea when they may announce these changes? Or are they still getting the details aligned first?

As I mentioned earlier, I don't know time frames. They are working out all the kinks though so don't look for anything soon.

As far as the exit ramp goes, it will branch off the ramp that currently goes to Epcot Center Drive but will cut between TDO and Typhoon Lagoon.

 

[wm49rs]

As I mentioned earlier, I don't know time frames. They are working out all the kinks though so don't look for anything soon.

As far as the exit ramp goes, it will branch off the ramp that currently goes to Epcot Center Drive but will cut between TDO and Typhoon Lagoon.

So, nothing at the shareholders' meeting then?

 

[maxairmike]

As far as the exit ramp goes, it will branch off the ramp that currently goes to Epcot Center Drive but will cut between TDO and Typhoon Lagoon.

That makes a lot more sense than an entirely new interchange would.

 

[Mouse Detective]

Another sad loss due to Mismanagement. There was once upon a time when Atlantic Dance Hall featured a live swing band a resembled a private club from a movie based in the 20's or 30's (the Colbalt Club from the Shadow comes to mind) and you felt compelled to don your finest pinstriped suit or tuxedo just to walk in. Unfortunately somewhere along the lines someone decided to make it a carbon copy of Motion and ruin an otherwise beautiful and unique nightclub.

Keep in mind that Atlantic Dance Hall opened during the Swing craze that had swept the country in the late-90's. So it made sense to have a swing dance club in there. When the swing craze died, they had to reconfigure the music format as no one would show up for a club playing swing music. So we get a top 40 club instead. The travesty of the place is not the current music so much but the lack of advertising. There is none. Most adult guests staying on Disney property have no idea about the place. So it's usually pretty empty anyway. From what I've read, the Swan and Dolphin's contract with Disney states that Disney will operate a night club for the hotels. So they do. But nothing says that Disney has to promote the place. And they don't; we know how TDO feels about dance clubs on their property.

 

[WDW1974]

Not everyone though you were nuts... I knew why I took a last ride on Jaws last September

And I thought I broke the news about the wand? Or put another way... Track records are good should one need to prove it.

I took my last ride in October during HHNs, but I never thought it would be gone so quickly. If this were Disney, then they'd just be putting the meetings to decide when to close it on the agenda.

I don't think you or I or anyone needs to prove anything, but our track records do speak for themselves as does our knowledge and perspective.

But I'm sure my post hit before yours did ... that's even with your time advantage across da pond. :ROFLOL:

As I recall, you were both among the first with the wand news, just posting on two different sites.
All while Corrus was arguing the other way.:lol:

Well, my question is where the hell were you? You claim to be an expert, an insider and my good pal Merfie swears you are an Imagineer (if he only knew!:zipit yet you were silent on said wandage? If there's one thing we kings of the fanbois :king: should know about is giant wands. OK, that didn't sound right. But clearly you were sloshed from a night at the AC and missed the news. I only found out about all the folks here saying I was nuts (I am, of course, but that has nothing to do with the info I post!) when a friend emailed me a link. At the time, I was lost in the laughing place and every once in a while someone would mention this mythical 'Lee' character and all I could ask was 'who the (blank) is that (blank) and what (blank) is he spouting' ... as to Corrus, apparently he had a real attatchment to the wand.

~I wonder if he has any pieces of it!~

 

[WDW1974]

My comment was in response to the entry from jt, but he was referring to what wdw71fan was posting, not what you were posting.

Sorry 'bout that ... between the troll that's been around and the return of my good buddy Frank, I get confused.

~Maybe it's 'cause I'm too excited to sleep!~

 

[AvengersWDW]

Sorry 'bout that ... between the troll that's been around and the return of my good buddy Frank, I get confused.

~Maybe it's 'cause I'm too excited to sleep!~

troll...lol

 

[marni1971]

~I wonder if he has any pieces of it!~

Doesn't everyone?

 

[flavious27]

If I want "old time New Orleans/Mardi Gras" themeing, I will, and do, go to the French Quarter in New Orleans.

New Orleans is way too close for me for me to drive to Orlando to see a replica.

People said the same thing about potc.

I like New Orleans idea. Love Mardi Gras idea even more. It has to be cheaper to celebrate Mardi Grass every night than new years eve. Beads are cheaper than fireworks I think.

Ditto though I hope they are not going to just skin a new orleans theme on top of the HW concept. I hope that if they do do a NO theme that it would be like the french quarter in DL, but larger and possibly add some elements from the princess and the frog.

 

[jt04]

People said the same thing about potc.



Ditto though I hope they are not going to just skin a new orleans theme on top of the HW concept. I hope that if they do do a NO theme that it would be like the french quarter in DL, but larger and possibly add some elements from the princess and the frog.

A franchise that certainly needs a prescence somewhere. But where? Several good possibilities I think.

~I'll be gone 500 miles when the day is done~

 

[Lee]

Well, my question is where the hell were you? You claim to be an expert, an insider and my good pal Merfie swears you are an Imagineer (if he only knew!:zipit

Yep. I'm quite skilled at Rollercoaster Tycoon!

yet you were silent on said wandage?
Was not.

I was simply playing it safe until I knew for sure which way the wind was blowing.

But clearly you were sloshed from a night at the AC and missed the news.

Haven't been sloshed in my life....though a night at the AC did tend to leave me a bit giddy...:lol:

Doesn't everyone?

Nope.
Only the cool folks.
And only the coolest of the cool acquire a piece while standing in the Odyssey.



~Saved the biggest chunk for myself!~

 

[John]

Weather we like the Mardi Gra concept or not....to me isnt the question. To me I wonder...where is the originality? I mean the whole concept ie theme has been done. Not only in other parks but in WDW itself. Yes, the mardi gra them is familiar, comfortable. But where is the individuality, the experience you can not find anywhere else. weather you cared for the old PI or not it wasnt like anything else.


I refute the notion that the old PI was another "college bar district" like some (one) say. The problem as I see it is that TWDO dosnt want to make a mistake here. There has been one failure after another in the choices that have been made with PI.


The facts are that the decline at PI, directly corresponds with the removal of the gates. That TWDO had no real concrete plans what to do with it when they closed it. That whatever ever plan they came up with was a fail. That PI is not making them a dime right now!


My question is to Lee, Kevin, Raven or anyone else. Is there ever anybody hald responsible in the company for decsions such as this? Do the powers that be just shrug their shoulders and say....better luck next time? Do they figure that they are playing with someone elses money?


IMHO Disney dosnt have a clue on this one. They have built several resorts that cater to the convention buisness. But leave a gapeing hole in the entertaining of said conventioneers. After the days buisness what are these people do? Being that they are there to conduct buisness most do not have their families with them. They sure are missing the Lilly Empress on this one. For those who dont like the nightlife or clubs.....just dont go, there is planty of things to enjoy. As to the OP is it plan "C" or is it plan "E" "F" or "G" ?

 

[Lee]

My question is to Lee, Kevin, Raven or anyone else. Is there ever anybody hald responsible in the company for decsions such as this? Do the powers that be just shrug their shoulders and say....better luck next time? Do they figure that they are playing with someone elses money?

Mostly, they just keep plunging ahead. Fingers in their ears and going "lalalalalallal" to avoid having to hear or acknowledge the criticism that is (rightly) coming their way.

I don't know of anyone actually being punished for this debacle, though quite a few have been moved to other jobs.

Three and a half years of a once profitable location sitting empty. It boggles the mind.
:hammer:

 

[John]

But isnt that the problem....."moved to other jobs" I guess there is a culture in that buisness model we looking from the outside just dont understand. While I agree that they just cant fire someone everytime something dosnt workout but from the outside this has turned into an embaressment.


Maybe some of us to sensitive when it comes to PI. I also wonder where on the list of priorities does it rank?