Pirates, right or wrong?

[sbkline]

Gee, if you think Hollywood portrayed the Indians in an accurate manner I can't wait for you to explain how slavery was good and the Nazis were the Jews' best friend. You obviously have no clue as to how history and Hollywood differ in regards to the American Indian. I feel sorry for you.

I think people on both sides would do well to acknowledge that neither side was guiltless. The "white man" as the settlers were called was not necessarily the noble figure that we sometimes make him out to be. Yes, the settlers robbed the Indians of their land and committed heinous acts of treachery against them.

However, the Indians, likewise, were not the peaceloving Martin Luther King type martyrs that revisionist historians would like to make them out to be. They did their fair share of scalping and brutally murdering innocent men, women and children.

History is written by people who want to practically deify those of their side and make the other side into brutal savages. Truth is, history is seldom that black and white. There is often brutal oppression and wickedness exhibited by both sides. And ignoring it in the case of the Indians out of a guilt ridden sense of political correctness is just as silly as ignoring it in the case of the settlers just because we'd rather think that the founding fathers were noble, godly men who were incapable of any wrongdoing and were the most holy group since the twelve apostles, as some would seem to make them out to be.

 

[backtrack]

I think people on both sides would do well to acknowledge that neither side was guiltless. The "white man" as the settlers were called was not necessarily the noble figure that we sometimes make him out to be. Yes, the settlers robbed the Indians of their land and committed heinous acts of treachery against them.

However, the Indians, likewise, were not the peaceloving Martin Luther King type martyrs that revisionist historians would like to make them out to be. They did their fair share of scalping and brutally murdering innocent men, women and children.

History is written by people who want to practically deify those of their side and make the other side into brutal savages. Truth is, history is seldom that black and white. There is often brutal oppression and wickedness exhibited by both sides. And ignoring it in the case of the Indians out of a guilt ridden sense of political correctness is just as silly as ignoring it in the case of the settlers just because we'd rather think that the founding fathers were noble, godly men who were incapable of any wrongdoing and were the most holy group since the twelve apostles, as some would seem to make them out to be.

You should not try and defend the "White Man" on this one sbkline, you simply show yourself to be a racist and bigot. The Native Americans were on this continent first and by all records did not start the war with the immigrants. You might also like to know that scalping was not something the Native Americans dreamed up it was something the French trained them to do.

You cannot defend in any manner the actions taken against the Native Americans by the white invaders. But I guess you sleep better at night ignoring the fact that your people not only murdered and raped Indians for sport but included germ warfare which I believe is consider a weapon of mass destruction.

Accepting that the Native Americans were here first, anything they did to slow or halt the European Invasion was within their rights.

 

[WaltzingMatilda]

But I guess you sleep better at night ignoring the fact that your people not only murdered and raped Indians for sport but included germ warfare which I believe is consider a weapon of mass destruction.

While I get where you're coming from (and not agreeing/disagreeing, I just think I understand your intent), I think you're making a pretty big assumption with the phrase "your people".

 

[Wilt Dasney]

You should not try and defend the "White Man" on this one sbkline, you simply show yourself to be a racist and bigot. ....

But I guess you sleep better at night ignoring the fact that your people not only murdered and raped Indians for sport but included germ warfare which I believe is consider a weapon of mass destruction.

Why is that people who express the most extreme opinions are the most eager to accuse others of the same thing? This looks like projection to me.

 

[BRER DAD]

We pilage, plunder, rifle, and loot, drink up me hardes yo ho!!!!:ROFLOL:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Accepting that the Native Americans were here first, anything they did to slow or halt the European Invasion was within their rights.

Im sure the British national Party use that same argument today, but its called racist.

Having two log in names isnt allowed you know.

 

[George]

OK - Here's the correct opinion

Real pirates = scary and bad

Kids playing pirates = fun and harmless

Pirates of the Caribbean = money making machine

Historical debates on a WDW website = entertaining (for me), but silly

 

[MaXXimus]

I remember my first trip to WDW when I was 7 and seeing the pirates. I dont think it had much affect on me... though this patch on my eye has gotten more and more annoying since that day

 

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Im sure the British national Party use that same argument today, but its called racist.

Having two log in names isnt allowed you know.

You are a bit confused. In Britain the party is upset with non-white British citizens. That is racism.

In the Americas the Native Americans never invited the Europeans. I think that makes it self-defense.

You can make excuses but it does not excuse the act.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

You are a bit confused. In Britain the party is upset with non-white British citizens. That is racism.

In the Americas the Native Americans never invited the Europeans. I think that makes it self-defense.

You can make excuses but it does not excuse the act.

You are a confused individual, either that or your 12. Im sure the BNP would argue that they never invited any one either. Or do you proscribe to the doctrine that only those of European origin can be racist?

Either way I have advised Billy Smart of your availability.

 

[backtrack]

You are a confused individual, either that or your 12. Im sure the BNP would argue that they never invited any one either. Or do you proscribe to the doctrine that only those of European origin can be racist?

Either way I have advised Billy Smart of your availability.

Apparently you are dumber than I thought. The British government, of which the BNP is a part, have a policy of not only accepting immigrants but sometimes seeking them out. The Native Americans never had any such policy. You might want to study up a bit on the British government before you start trying to use their policies as a defense for your own racist views.

And sadly racism is not confined to Europe or any other area. It is wide spread. I guess you are reminded of that each time you look in a mirror.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Apparently you are dumber than I thought. The British government, of which the BNP is a part, have a policy of not only accepting immigrants but sometimes seeking them out. The Native Americans never had any such policy. You might want to study up a bit on the British government before you start trying to use their policies as a defense for your own racist views.

And sadly racism is not confined to Europe or any other area. It is wide spread. I guess you are reminded of that each time you look in a mirror.

Oh dear, have I hit on a sore point. Obviously given that little outburst.
You know Ive checked and I just cant find this BNP government official you have mentioned.

If it were allowed Id just love to hear your position on the Middle East, or is Native American issue the only one you apply your logic too?

But If slandering me is how you choose to hide your own predjudices so be it but I dont think Ill be loosing too much sleep over a kid with a keyboard. And heres a tip, before you jump to conclusions about others I suggest you check up on their ethnenticity, saves you looking a bigger clown than you are already,but as I said Ive passed your CV to Billy Smart he may be in touch. Toot Toot.
:wave: :lol:

 

[WaltzingMatilda]

Umm...quick question...Pumbas, aren't you from England? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

 

[Wilt Dasney]

The British government, of which the BNP is a part, have a policy of not only accepting immigrants but sometimes seeking them out. The Native Americans never had any such policy.

So if Tony Blair tomorrow announced that the official policy of the British government was "no more immigrants, England's full" that wouldn't be a racist position, right? He'd just be taking the same position as the Native Americans in not inviting anyone else in, right?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Umm...quick question...Pumbas, aren't you from England? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

I live in England at present yes.

 

[MaXXimus]

I think you 2 need to go to your cornor and take a deep breath. Lets get back on track. I dont think anyone needs nor wants to hear a lesson about racisim or politics on such matters. Politics and religion should be kept off here and on an appropriate forum.

 

[WaltzingMatilda]

I live in England at present yes.

Thought so! Sorry, I just find it amusing that this poster is trying to school you on British government.

I'll leave you too it! :wave:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I think you 2 need to go to your cornor and take a deep breath. Lets get back on track. I dont think anyone needs nor wants to hear a lesson about racisim or politics on such matters. Politics and religion should be kept off here and on an appropriate forum.

Ooohhhhh get her..... Your thoughts have been noted and filed.

 

[The Mom]

Enough bickering, thank you very much. I believe you each have made your positions perfectly clear. :lol:

 

[Astronaut Jones]

You should not try and defend the "White Man" on this one sbkline, you simply show yourself to be a racist and bigot. The Native Americans were on this continent first and by all records did not start the war with the immigrants. You might also like to know that scalping was not something the Native Americans dreamed up it was something the French trained them to do.

You cannot defend in any manner the actions taken against the Native Americans by the white invaders. But I guess you sleep better at night ignoring the fact that your people not only murdered and raped Indians for sport but included germ warfare which I believe is consider a weapon of mass destruction.

Accepting that the Native Americans were here first, anything they did to slow or halt the European Invasion was within their rights.

What in the wide world or sports is going on here? What are we talking about? I'm not going to take the time to break down how stupid the above comment is because I don't want to be a jackass. I do imagine however, that I'm still going to rant and my apologies for that.

It's just kind of sick how people refer to "your people", like we're a team. A long time ago some white dudes raped and murdered Indians. I am white, but I'm not tied to their actions. A long time ago some Native Americans killed some white guys. I'm also part Native American, but I'm not tied to their actions. People assume that "our people" means something. I'm not bashing cultural embrace or cultural resurgence, these things are fine, cool in my opinion, but it doesn't make us the people that share our skin color, beliefs or ethnicity. I don't mean to sound like a cliche seminar but judge people as people. Acknowledge culture, don't look at a black guy as if he is a white guy, but don't judge him on the good and bad of his culture, judge him as a person. That's incredibly cheesy I know, but I just get ed off at these racial arguments.