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Pirates Queue Modifications
- Thread starter RAXIP
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Tip Top Club
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Well it won't always be, eventually the interactive queue will be mandatory for Stand-by, but as I said before the only thing that's loud there is the Ride's Theme music, how can you be angry about that? The other sound effect is the Poetess which most people don't notice anyway.
Fraisie
Active Member
As someone who's been photographing the skeletons playing chess for almost 10 years now, I'm going to be really annoyed if the line is changed so that you can't chose which side to go on. i.e. if the right side is restricted to Fastpass/XPass etc. only guests.It's not as if both lines are the same decor. There are differences and it would really stink if the option of which one you want to see is taken away.
That's a really cool collection of pics!
devoy1701
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I was thinking the same thing... One side will be strictly fast pass, the other stand by. Highly unnecessary. /bangs head
Tim Lohr
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So this isn't Next-Gen video game stuff, it's just preparations for the new Fast Pass Plus system. I don't get why people are so opposed to this new fast pass, you won't have to run around to all the kiosks and it'll let you hold up to 4 fast passes at once
Nice update and pics
Nice update and pics
devoy1701
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because it's unnecessary. The Pirates queue moves fine without anyone having to reserve a position in line. Even on the most crowded days your standby wait is hardly longer than 50 minutes. Implement FastPass on this attraction and say goodbye to your 20 Minute Standby Queue.
Magenta Panther
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I don't understand why Fastpass is necessary for Pirates. I have never had to stand in a long line for that attraction EVER.
wilkeliza
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It is so people feel like the new fastpass system will be worth it. The average family going on their first trip won't know that even on the busiest days of the year you don't really need a fastpass for pirates. All they will know is little Jimmy loves the pirates movies and will want to ride the ride and hey we get 4 choices (3,4,5 we don't know for sure yet) so lets choose pirates to make sure he gets to ride it. It is the same reason why fastpass is going on other attractions that never needed it or haven't needed it in years.
Tim Lohr
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Whether it's necessary is debatable, I think it's more an matter of having to offer the new system everywhere,
but why do you think adding fast pass would effect the stand by queue?
devoy1701
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It really isn't debatable at all. And adding fastpass to any attraction will increase the wait time for Standby.
Think of it this way. If an attraction can handle 1,000 people in 1 hour and only has a standby line...it will take you 1 hour to cycle through those 1,000 guests, if you're Standby Guest#1,000, you'll board the attraction in 1 hour. Now add a second queue where more people will be "lining up" you're going to increase the demand for the attraction while the ride capacity will stay at 1,000 guests. If you still have 1,000 guests in the standby queue but you're now managing 2 queues, your wait as the 1,000th standby guest is going to increase because not as many standby guests are going to be entering the attraction during that hour. And even if some of those 1,000 people in the Standby line decide to use Fastpass instead, the attraction still only handles 1,000 guests/hour...so now it takes Standby Guest #800 an hour to go through the queue because 200 people have to be let through the FastPass line now.
meyeet
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But if the wait is an hour, wouldn't it take guest #800 an hour to get through the line from the time they joined the line anyway?
Tim Lohr
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Maybe I should've phrased this differently... why do think adding fast pass will make the ride more popular? Stich's Escape has fast pass kiosks out front, but they rarely ever use them. I think this is what they're doing at Pirates, simply having the system in place for the occasions that they need it
Rob562
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devoy1701
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Without fast past added, Guest #800 would have been able to get in the attraction in 45 minutes, now it will take him an hour.
devoy1701
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bad example. Stitch isn't a popular attraction in any regard....with or without fastpass.
meyeet
Well-Known Member
only if when he got in line the wait was 45mins. Actually guest #1 will take an hour to wait in line as well. The wait time starts when they enter the queue, not when guest #1000 enters the queue.
devoy1701
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completely missing the point. Without FP, Assuming that an attraction with a capacity for 1,000 guests per hour is running at capacity and is currently fully occupied with an additional 1,000 people in the queue, it will be 1 hour before the 1,000th person in line gets to ride (with the guests in front of him having proportional shorter waits).
Now if you have 1,000 people in standby and you have 500 people per hour with FP Return Times (assuming peak efficiency), It will be 2 hours before Standby Guest 1,000 gets to ride, Because Standby Guest #1000 is no longer Guest #1000, he is Guest #2000
rudyjr13
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I wonder if those fast pass people would have been part of the 1,000 in standby thus decreasing the standby line. Especially if it's the new fast pass where they reserve a spot.
doctornick
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Okay, but... wouldn't most/all of the people who are using Fastpasses formerly have been in the Standby line? Using your example, let's say there are 100 Fastpasses available for that hour. I would think that the people who would get/have those Fastpasses would otherwise be among the 1000 people in the Standby line. So, the situation will be that 100 guests will get on much quicker (say in 10 minutes), the other 900 guests that hour would have a marginally longer wait (probably not more than 5-10 minutes extra). But the ride still accommodates 1000 people that hour. So, you end up with some guests having a far better wait time and a number of guests with a slightly worse wait time.
Your scenario seems to suggest that the new Fastpass system will cause more people to want to ride per hour. Which maybe it would, if people go to ride simply because they have a Fastpass who might not have otherwise, but in that case the wait is getting longer because the ride is more "popular" and more people are riding. I don't see that as a bad thing necessarily. At worst, while that would make the wait for Pirates worse, it would be taking people from elsewhere in the park and making a wait somewhere else better.
devoy1701
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I hear what you're saying and yes, it's possible, but I don't see it being likely at all. If no demand was added, and it was simply a shareshift of people moving from the Standby Line to the FastPass line, then yes, it would be a Net-Zero change. But I don't think that is going to be the case here, most because of the reason explained by @wilkeliza below: