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News Pirates of the Caribbean closing for refurbishment in February for new auction scene
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Castle Cake Apologist
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Yeah, that was changed in the 90s. The Pooped Pirate (with Jack Sparrow is in the barrel behind him) used to be a lot more rapey too.
Bender123
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Because the pearl clutching is strong in (current year)...It used to be recognized as a low key and humorous view of a pirate raid. We accepted the pirates were bad guys and we accepted the things they did were crude. They are pirates. That's what they do. Now, people seem to think that the pirates are the good guys and we cant have good guys doing bad things.
ts another example of people being too dumb to know what the story is and too immature to handle basic story scenes.
mitchk
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ā Iād love to hoist me colors on the likes of that winsome wench.ā That was a bit much, but I donāt think kids even these days would pick up on that...
Bocabear
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and that is the thing...Kids did NOT pick up on any of those things...it was Pirates being scalliwags... that is what kids see....The attraction works on different levels...Like a Bugs Bunny Cartoon or Pee Wee's Playhouse...lol
Historically Pirates did not auction off chickens and granfather clocks to their own crew... that is just stupid.
Historically Pirates did not auction off chickens and granfather clocks to their own crew... that is just stupid.
Professortango1
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Yes, but the argument about rape culture is that kids DO pick up on the objectification of women. They may not get verbal jokes, but they see men treating women as prizes, objects, and something for our protagonists to pursue even if the woman is giving signs they don't wish to be pursued. That's the issue.
Bocabear
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no....they really don't. and if you want to change every bit of that perception, you have to basically erase all of recorded history...
Castle Cake Apologist
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Much of this is Disney's own doing. Pirates are the good guys in their pirate film and television franchises.
See above. I agree with all of your points here, but the main issue is that Disney wants pirates to be seen as protagonists now, instead of the antagonists that they were for nearly 40 years of the attraction's existence.
Once the Pirates movies became a thing, Disney shifted the narrative to be that Pirates are the heroes and are people that kids should want to emulate. We see that in attractions like Pirates League as well, where kids can literally become pirates.
The attraction, as originally designed, was a morality play. The pirates were bad people who did bad things and wound up with a bad fate. Once Disney decided that they wanted to encourage kids to be pirates, the waters got a little muddy and the tides a little stranger.
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HMF
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A lot of that is Disney's own fault for the proliferation of the Jack Sparrow character. The ride (at least in Disneyland) was supposed to be a morality tale before Depp showed up
Professortango1
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Studies have shown they really do. And if you want to change that perception, you have media and entertainment show women as people, not things protagonists earn.
Professortango1
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The pirates have always been the protagonists. The original ad invited us to set sail WITH them. Not beware them or look out for them. We are supposed to like them and identify with them, not the townspeople. That has always been the goal.
If anything, the Jack Sparrow additions actually shifted the narrative to make the pirates bad. Now, we are rooting for Jack and the townspeople as Barbossa and his villainous crew are trying to find out where Jack/the treasure is hidden.
I can agree, but as I've said earlier in the thread, if you want to showcase that women are just as capable as men, having the readhead play "mother" and dumbing down the men around them isn't how you do it. People who ride this will still see a bunch of male pirates having fun, and the lone female pirate avoiding the revelry of her peers.
Bairstow
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I can think of three explanations.
The first is that because the "chasing" tableux, when the positions of the pirates and the women were reversed, served as a kind of answer to the Auction scene, what the with women turning the tables on the pirates. This was undercut by the fact that the chasing characters are not the same ones you see in the auction, and putting food in the pirates' hands just confused things.
Additionally, the pirates chasing the women was a more visceral and obvious depiction of sexual violence than the weird auction sequence, particularly given that all but the last woman in the tableux is actively resisting and fleeing her rapist. At least in the auction, multiple women appear to be pleased with what is being done to them.
The third, and more likely explanation is that swapping the positions of the chasing characters was a quick and cheap fix but redoing the auction actually required effort.
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donaldtoo
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Bairstow
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Huh? Isn't she the one advocating that everyone get turnt? The only one wanting the keep trying to turn a profit on the poultry is the auctioneer.
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Incomudro
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"Rape Culture" is a ridiculous made up term.
There is no culture of rape - not in this country.
Professortango1
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Oh, thank goodness you came along to set the record straight. I know doctors of sociology and behavioral scientists have found there to be, but you just cleared the air. What's your expertise in the field, so we can contact the press and have the error corrected?
Bocabear
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Saying Pirates Of The Caribbean glorifies Rape Culture is like saying Big Thunder Mountain glorifies strip mining, eco pillaging and the destruction of the earth. ( as does 7 Dwarfs Mine for that matter)... Haunted Mansion glorifies Murder and Winnie The Pooh advocates burglary as Winnie is stealing the bee's honey...All is grim, serious, and dark in the Magic Kingdom...
Professortango1
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Rape culture is assisted when we see women being treated as objects and prizes for men to claim against their will. The bride auction was literally that. I don't think kids are affected by strip mining culture, nor is there a murder culture which teaches Americans subconsciously that taking a person's life is okay. Hyperbole's might be fun, but they are not an argument.
Disney Analyst
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This is the mos ridiculous, insulting, and idiotic statement I have ever seen on any forum in my lifetime. Shame on you.