Peter Pan Queue

[mahnamahna101]

Indeed, so few CMs and rehabs are not costly nor does it habitually go off line like many of the new attractions. It is just a shame they couldn't enter and queue from the side another 15, 20 feet would help so much but logistically that can't really happen either, hopefully PP queue will lend a few feet when complete.

With all that land Disney had when they designed the MK I can't understand why they squished those attractions so tight that they didn't leave any wiggle room for the future, DL I understood, WDW should have corrected those missteps.

Agreed... there's so much undeveloped land around MK.. why not leave some wide open space for expansion in between each land? Overall, MK was just poorly laid out... If Disneyland can fit 60-65 attractions, MK should have room for 70-80. It's much larger than DL and has plenty of wiggle room

 

[Gabe1]

Agreed... there's so much undeveloped land around MK.. why not leave some wide open space for expansion in between each land? Overall, MK was just poorly laid out... If Disneyland can fit 60-65 attractions, MK should have room for 70-80. It's much larger than DL and has plenty of wiggle room

Hindsight is great but they should have never been in the position of hindsight. They designed Epcot pretty well in the WS for expansion, they spread out buildings in the FW, there is wiggle room there too. Still in the rush to finish before Uni they messed up the Studio's the same way. You look at the corridors for Pixar, how narrow it is by Star Tours, by the Writers venue, even the tightness of Sunset Blvd expansion. Again in the position that Disney will need to flatten areas to rebuild this time in the Studios.

AK I cannot wrap my brain around. A temp attraction for Lion King, but then they didn't expand as they planned so made it permanent, upgraded the entire theater, now moving the theater, the place isn't that old to be on the 3rd version of a theater show. Time will tell how well Avatar will work in that area and if it will help the flow. AK is vast and removing areas to rebuild to my way of thinking is crazy for a park that hasn't left its teen years is akin to having to reimagineer Cali Adventure.

They need to widen that area between PP and Small World, it is ridiculous to leave it like that. I just wonder which one will be removed one day. I can't imagine them replacing either no matter what the outcry is.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Am I the only person here who really likes this ride? The song doesn't bother me!

I do like it but after a while the sight of the gross ceiling and the slight damp mildew smell gets to ones head.

I wish they would replace and or paint the ceiling tiles so you can't see how gross they are. And fix that damn hippos eye. Haha!

 

[CJR]

I'm not sure how replacing "It's a Small World" would help with any congestion in that area of the park. Even if they pushed it back some and let's say they put a Frozen attraction in that area, it would drive even more people to that area of the park. That's ignoring the unnecessary expense of it all.

With the information that we have been provided, they could move the entrance of Peter Pan as part of the queue modifications. That won't change every problem about the area, but if they do it right, they can make a huge difference.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Hindsight is great but they should have never been in the position of hindsight. They designed Epcot pretty well in the WS for expansion, they spread out buildings in the FW, there is wiggle room there too. Still in the rush to finish before Uni they messed up the Studio's the same way. You look at the corridors for Pixar, how narrow it is by Star Tours, by the Writers venue, even the tightness of Sunset Blvd expansion. Again in the position that Disney will need to flatten areas to rebuild this time in the Studios.

AK I cannot wrap my brain around. A temp attraction for Lion King, but then they didn't expand as they planned so made it permanent, upgraded the entire theater, now moving the theater, the place isn't that old to be on the 3rd version of a theater show. Time will tell how well Avatar will work in that area and if it will help the flow. AK is vast and removing areas to rebuild to my way of thinking is crazy for a park that hasn't left its teen years is akin to having to reimagineer Cali Adventure.

They need to widen that area between PP and Small World, it is ridiculous to leave it like that. I just wonder which one will be removed one day. I can't imagine them replacing either no matter what the outcry is.

Neither... expanding the queue/facade of PPF to the old bathrooms will help. Removing Village Haus would allow a new queue area for IASW. Use that for widening the path. Give both rides some major TLC. Good as new. I'd like Philharmagic moved to Town Square which would allow PPF to expand the ride/capacity.

I'd say the Splash/Big Thunder bottleneck is a bigger issue. Use the backstage space to expand and potentially connect to Fantasyland at some point. That area is more congested than PPF/IASW/Tangled.

 

[jt04]

I'm not sure how replacing "It's a Small World" would help with any congestion in that area of the park. Even if they pushed it back some and let's say they put a Frozen attraction in that area, it would drive even more people to that area of the park. That's ignoring the unnecessary expense of it all.

With the information that we have been provided, they could move the entrance of Peter Pan as part of the queue modifications. That won't change every problem about the area, but if they do it right, they can make a huge difference.

One of the easiest ways to relieve the bottle neck is an expansion that reaches all the way to the rail tracks and adding a new station.

 

[jt04]

Neither... expanding the queue/facade of PPF to the old bathrooms will help. Removing Village Haus would allow a new queue area for IASW. Use that for widening the path. Give both rides some major TLC. Good as new. I'd like Philharmagic moved to Town Square which would allow PPF to expand the ride/capacity.

I'd say the Splash/Big Thunder bottleneck is a bigger issue. Use the backstage space to expand and potentially connect to Fantasyland at some point. That area is more congested than PPF/IASW/Tangled.

Moving the queue for IaSW is the only option if they are going to keep it at the MK IMO.

Prefer Discovery Bay over WRE if they choose to expand that direction. That would be amazing potentially.

 

[tirian]

That portion of the Studios wasn't intended to have crowds of guests walking around; it was a functional studio and was part of a tour.

Hindsight is great but they should have never been in the position of hindsight. They designed Epcot pretty well in the WS for expansion, they spread out buildings in the FW, there is wiggle room there too. Still in the rush to finish before Uni they messed up the Studio's the same way. You look at the corridors for Pixar, how narrow it is by Star Tours, by the Writers venue, even the tightness of Sunset Blvd expansion. Again in the position that Disney will need to flatten areas to rebuild this time in the Studios.

AK I cannot wrap my brain around. A temp attraction for Lion King, but then they didn't expand as they planned so made it permanent, upgraded the entire theater, now moving the theater, the place isn't that old to be on the 3rd version of a theater show. Time will tell how well Avatar will work in that area and if it will help the flow. AK is vast and removing areas to rebuild to my way of thinking is crazy for a park that hasn't left its teen years is akin to having to reimagineer Cali Adventure.

They need to widen that area between PP and Small World, it is ridiculous to leave it like that. I just wonder which one will be removed one day. I can't imagine them replacing either no matter what the outcry is.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Moving the queue for IaSW is the only option if they are going to keep it at the MK IMO.

Prefer Discovery Bay over WRE if they choose to expand that direction. That would be amazing potentially.

There's room for both, a Sleepy Hollow attraction, and your Fantasyland expansion (Tangled/Frozen/Pinocchio? - could connect to Storybook Circus and give your expansion some boy appeal)

Combining the space behind Frontierland/Liberty Square/Small World & Mermaid.... it's huge - enough room for 7 to 8 attractions easily. If you remove the fancy new parking lot and retention pond, of course

Removing the Speedway and Barnstormer opens up even more room for Fantasyland and Tomorrowland (lots of green space behind them) to grow.

Adventureland is land-locked unless you shift Jungle Cruise and rework the area behind POTC (nothing impossible, but it wouldn't exactly be cheap)... you could fit Fire Mountain and either bring Indy over or build an Aladdin E-ticket (finally give TDO a good reason to move the Magic Carpets out of the marketplace)

Some backstage space/utilidors might have to be altered, but MK easily has the most room to grow out of any of the Disneyland-style parks.

 

[jt04]

There's room for both, a Sleepy Hollow attraction, and your Fantasyland expansion (Tangled/Frozen/Pinocchio? - could connect to Storybook Circus and give your expansion some boy appeal)

Combining the space behind Frontierland/Liberty Square/Small World & Mermaid.... it's huge - enough room for 7 to 8 attractions easily. If you remove the fancy new parking lot and retention pond, of course

Removing the Speedway and Barnstormer opens up even more room for Fantasyland and Tomorrowland (lots of green space behind them) to grow.

Adventureland is land-locked unless you shift Jungle Cruise and rework the area behind POTC (nothing impossible, but it wouldn't exactly be cheap)... you could fit Fire Mountain and either bring Indy over or build an Aladdin E-ticket (finally give TDO a good reason to move the Magic Carpets out of the marketplace)

Some backstage space/utilidors might have to be altered, but MK easily has the most room to grow out of any of the Disneyland-style parks.

If they just had not messed up the original configuration then expansion would have been so much easier. They got too cautious without Walt around. IMO.

 

[mahnamahna101]

If they just had not messed up the original configuration then expansion would have been so much easier. They got too cautious without Walt around. IMO.

Should have left space between each land for expansion (or at least room for a path to an expansion pad). Why buy all of that land and not use it to make the parks large enough for additions/expansion?

Hopefully, they get working on connecting the whole park so there's no bottlenecks.

 

[danlb_2000]

Should have left space between each land for expansion (or at least room for a path to an expansion pad). Why buy all of that land and not use it to make the parks large enough for additions/expansion?

Hopefully, they get working on connecting the whole park so there's no bottlenecks.

They may have assumed the the over crowding problems could be dealt with by building other parks.

 

[DougK]

Absolutely not a chance. It is a low cost attraction to operate, has a huge capacity, and its massively popular with guests. It would make no sense what-so-ever to close it.

And moving rides? When does that really ever happen these days. IASW is a Magic Kingdom classic and will remain that way.

Ah the voice of reason! Thank you Steve!

 

[DougK]

Dumbo moved as well.

Dumbo and FotLK both moved, but not out of their parks, they just changed locations within the same park. They will not move It's A Small World out of MK, that is my point.

 

[Mike S]

They may have assumed the the over crowding problems could be dealt with by building other parks.

Maybe that could've worked if the other parks didn't have so few rides compared to MK.

 

[MarkTwain]

I could easily see WDI using construction of a new queue as an excuse to redo the exterior facade, as they did with Pooh. A new, more detailed European facade like Disneyland's Peter Pan would be a great fix for that part of Fantasyland (and might help soften the clash from the cheap-looking Pan/Small World area to the lushly themed Tangled area). As the for the queue itself, I would expect the usual mix of interactive screen-based games and more physical play areas (perhaps based on the Darling nursery?) that we've seen in other queues of this type.

I question to what extent they'll redo the ride itself though - while new projection-based AAs would be great, ADA requires that grandfathered buildings must become compliant after a certain degree of refurbishment. I don't know to what degree AAs fall under that (since they don't impact the building itself), but I imagine Disney will be reluctant to modify the ride too much since Peter Pan is an ADA inspector's worst nightmare.

 

[Kman101]

I don't know why anyone is getting up in arms about moving Small World. It's just talk amongst people. It'd never seriously happen (even though I'm in the boat that thinks moving it to Epcot would and could work).

 

[Gabe1]

That portion of the Studios wasn't intended to have crowds of guests walking around; it was a functional studio and was part of a tour.

Like I said, they didn't bother to leave wiggle room for updates or changes. You can see the path roads in white that were tram (purple) only areas and the areas that you could get to by foot. New York Street (at the time) though wide was for tram only yet Mickey Avenue narrow and designed for foot traffic. They could have done better. The majority of the Studios is too squishy. Try and get past Star Tours that wasn't even open at this point and it was a bottleneck already in that era of a 4 hour park. They should have known better, it wasn't as if this was their debut to theme park builds.

 

[marni1971]

New York Street (at the time) though wide was for tram only yet Mickey Avenue narrow and designed for foot traffic.

Mickey Avenue also wasn't designed for guest foot traffic. It was the corporate and audience entrance for the stages.

The whole park/tour combo concept crumbled in less than a year of opening when Here Come The Muppets opened in the original tour finale theatre.

 

[mharrington]

Am I the only person here who really likes this ride? The song doesn't bother me!

No, you're not the only one. I like the ride and the song, too.