Peter Pan Queue

[Jose]

So far it seems like just the queue, but we're hoping other updates come too.

thanks for replying me, and what do they want to do with the queue? expand it?

 

[mharrington]

Either getting rid of IASW entirely or moving it to EPCOT would have the same effect. There would be major backlash from the public. In many ways It's A Small World IS Fantasyland. This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet.

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There would be a very negative outcry from the public if they removed IASW from MK.

Plus, it's just simply a classic!

 

[Mike S]

thanks for replying me, and what do they want to do with the queue? expand it?

I'm not an insider but from what people have been saying here it seems like an expansion and interactive additions.

 

[mp2bill]

An interactive queue is much needed for the long lines.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

I've long said that Peter Pan's Flight is the most overrated attraction in WDW. I would expect that any refurbishment to it would result in Mine Train type figures which would be a huge upgrade. The best thing the attraction has going for it is the ride system. Keep that (or something in place) and upgrade the show scenes.

As for Fantasyland in general, I actually think it's a small world is a bad fit for Fantasyland. It's separated in California from their 1984 redo and is used as a transition attraction to Toontown. In Florida it's across from a classic (albeit an overrated one as stated above). Personally, I think that Fantasyland should only be for characaters from Disney animation. They have 70+ years of stories to fill out the land, and more or less any of the European fairytales fit in thematically.

Just like people complain that character based attractions don't belong in Epcot, I think the opposite is true in Fantasyland.

As the former mayor of Boston would say, "Give me the keys and I'll get the job done." I'd move it's a small world to the Odyssey area, I'd level the building expanding that area for Tangled, Frozen, and probably a larger Princess Meet and Greet area. This would open the prime real estate of Fairytale Hall to return to a dark ride, like it should be.

This guy got my vote.


I'd love to see some fantastic theming detail return to PPF and iasw to help it blend and transition smoothly from all angles.

Right now it's harsh and contrasting. The tent thing was so over in the 80s, I'm very surprised they still have it.

As for the actual PPF queue line...yes please. It felt very old school and amusement park-ish rather than at a place I just spent a hundred bucks to get into. It was also tight and cramped and humid in that particular area. Needs to be more open and..roomy. I get space is an issue, I totally do, but it's an issue that has to have some kind of resolution. Whether it's a very short standing room only type line or one more like dumbo and the play area (maybe extend the range on the buzzer for the tangled toilet area?) or a complete revamp of that little corner (with new facade and less tent tackiness please), is something needs improved and figured out.

Not to mention turning the corner and seeing all these beautiful buildings and pretty, nicely detailed, new castle walls and then looking back at the tent and going "ew"...that's probs not what you're gonna want your customers to do.

 

[michael.fumc]

I am glad PP is getting attention, the line could use help (however it is a huge childhood memory standing in that line), I have always had mixed feeling on updates to that ride, I know they can make it so much better, but that ride really is one I have never missed, it is a childhood favorite. Change would have to be done right, if change is even a possibility

 

[wdwmagic]

Either getting rid of IASW entirely or moving it to EPCOT would have the same effect. There would be major backlash from the public. In many ways It's A Small World IS Fantasyland. This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet. By the way it is far from my favorite ride, this is not personal at all.

There would be a very negative outcry from the public if they removed IASW from MK. For example there are more people who do not buy Park Hoppers than you apparently think there are. And especially those with little children whose main focus is MK and Fantasyland may resent having to pay extra to go to EPCOT to ride IASW. Many would not do it and would therefore be upset.

I wish Steve @wdwmagic would jump in on this, I would love to hear his opinion. I do not mean his opinion on whether or not they will remove it, but whether they would even consider removing it.

Absolutely not a chance. It is a low cost attraction to operate, has a huge capacity, and its massively popular with guests. It would make no sense what-so-ever to close it.

And moving rides? When does that really ever happen these days. IASW is a Magic Kingdom classic and will remain that way.

 

[jt04]

Absolutely not a chance. It is a low cost attraction to operate, has a huge capacity, and its massively popular with guests. It would make no sense what-so-ever to close it.

And moving rides? When does that really ever happen these days. IASW is a Magic Kingdom classic and will remain that way.

I would point out that FotLK moved. Unfortunately you are right generally speaking. But still hope they change that mindset.

Sooner or later they have to deal with that bottleneck. Maybe not now but in the next 5 or 10 years they will. The Tangled reconfiguration helped but not in the long term. IMO.

 

[wdwmagic]

I would point out that FotLK moved. Unfortunately you are right generally speaking. But still hope they change that mindset.

Sooner or later they have to deal with that bottleneck. Maybe not now but in the next 5 or 10 years they will. The Tangled reconfiguration helped but not in the long term. IMO.

Lion King was always temporary and was just a building. Heck it didn't even have walls or AC when it was built. Moving something like Small World is a whole different proposition and just won't happen.

 

[jt04]

Lion King was always temporary and was just a building. Heck it didn't even have walls or AC when it was built. Moving something like Small World is a whole different proposition and just won't happen.

I agree they would never relocate it to Epcot. But I have hope that new management (post Iger) could see the wisdom in repurposing that area. Plus it would give die-hard fans a further incentive to travel to Disneyland.

I am sure people thought 20K would never leave. Or many other attractions in Yesterland from both DL and the MK. Anything is possible.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I was going to continue the "it's a small world" witness relocation conversation, and then I thought it should be brought over to Imagineering. Someone else beat me to the punch, but we should probably continue the conversation over here:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/its-a-lost-world-where-does-iasw-belong.885455/

 

[tirian]

Am I the only person here who really likes this ride? The song doesn't bother me!

Absolutely not a chance. It is a low cost attraction to operate, has a huge capacity, and its massively popular with guests. It would make no sense what-so-ever to close it.

And moving rides? When does that really ever happen these days. IASW is a Magic Kingdom classic and will remain that way.

 

[michael.fumc]

Am I the only person here who really likes this ride? The song doesn't bother me!

I like it to, it is classic

 

[jt04]

Am I the only person here who really likes this ride? The song doesn't bother me!

Nobody is critical of the ride here that I have seen. Some just question the viability over the long term in its present location at the MK. It is a classic that could work in WS or as an exclusive to Disneyland.

 

[spacemt354]

I am sure people thought 20K would never leave. Or many other attractions in Yesterland from both DL and the MK. Anything is possible.

That's actually a really good point. There have been several attractions removed that people probably thought would stay forever because they were classics. World of Motion, Horizons, 20K as you mentioned, Toad, Original Journey into Imagination, etc.

Especially with the new Tangled area and the Peter Pan queue redo/hopeful outside retheme, the tents of IASW will feel even more out of place than they do now. Anything is possible.

 

[mahnamahna101]

That's actually a really good point. There have been several attractions removed that people probably thought would stay forever because they were classics. World of Motion, Horizons, 20K as you mentioned, Toad, Original Journey into Imagination, etc.

Especially with the new Tangled area and the Peter Pan queue redo/hopeful outside retheme, the tents of IASW will feel even more out of place than they do now. Anything is possible.

Ehh Small World's cheap to run, and is high capacity. Those others weren't. Simple as that

 

[spacemt354]

Ehh Small World's cheap to run, and is high capacity. Those others weren't. Simple as that

Mostly all of the rides I mentioned were repurposed using the same land and or layout. Horizons was considered expensive because it didn't generate crowds in its later years. If it generated long lines, I don't think it would have been repurposed.

Small World varies in its queue lengths, but it's still decently popular. It's blue sky at this point to consider a removal, but what I was trying to say was it's not impossible. But if it stays I'd like to see something done to the facade to facilitate a better inclusion in that area of fantasyland. It sticks out like a sore thumb next to Tangled.

 

[Gabe1]

Ehh Small World's cheap to run, and is high capacity. Those others weren't. Simple as that

Indeed, so few CMs and rehabs are not costly nor does it habitually go off line like many of the new attractions. It is just a shame they couldn't enter and queue from the side another 15, 20 feet would help so much but logistically that can't really happen either, hopefully PP queue will lend a few feet when complete.

With all that land Disney had when they designed the MK I can't understand why they squished those attractions so tight that they didn't leave any wiggle room for the future, DL I understood, WDW should have corrected those missteps.

 

[doctornick]

I would point out that FotLK moved. Unfortunately you are right generally speaking. But still hope they change that mindset.

Dumbo moved as well.

 

[jt04]

Dumbo moved as well.

Oh yeah. Thanks! Hopefully it is a trend.