Peter Pan Queue

[jt04]

Either getting rid of IASW entirely or moving it to EPCOT would have the same effect. There would be major backlash from the public. In many ways It's A Small World IS Fantasyland. This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet. By the way it is far from my favorite ride, this is not personal at all.

There would be a very negative outcry from the public if they removed IASW from MK. For example there are more people who do not buy Park Hoppers than you apparently think there are. And especially those with little children whose main focus is MK and Fantasyland may resent having to pay extra to go to EPCOT to ride IASW. Many would not do it and would therefore be upset.

I wish Steve @wdwmagic would jump in on this, I would love to hear his opinion.

We will just have to profoundly agree to disagee on this one.

 

[DougK]

We will just have to profoundly agree to disagee on this one.

Luckily, you don't run the place.

(Neither do I).

 

[jt04]

Kiddie coaster and double Dumbos not enough? Removing some of the extra nonsense would open up some space for a dark ride. Speedway is huge, 2 E tickets there, not to mention the plot behind it could hold 3 to 4 major attractions easily.

Double Dumbo could be rethemed rather easily. Flying Pirate Ships?

 

[Mike S]

Instead of 7 Dwarfs we should have gotten a whole new double tracked Peter Pan updated with 21st Century technology, ending with a gift shop and a fabulous Neverland play area...like Adventure Isle in Disneyland Paris...Complete with full sized Pirate ship...and the Tinkerbelle meet and Greet. Then they would have an empty building where Peter Pan was for another attraction...Seems like everyone knows that PP is about the most popular attraction in Fantasyland...I would have rather had a new improved PP instead of the Double Dumbo...

That would've been great use of the land instead of Storybook Circus.

 

[DougK]

Double Dumbo could be rethemed rather easily. Flying Pirate Ships?

You want to remove Dumbo too? Do you not like Disney or something? I mean that's your right but you're kind of on a fan site you know.

 

[jt04]

Luckily, you don't run the place.

(Neither do I).

Can't argue there. I don't have the patience.

But this has been a great thread. And it all started with a facade.

 

[jt04]

You want to remove Dumbo too? Do you not like Disney or something? I mean that's your right but you're kind of on a fan site you know.

I don't want to remove it. Just put Dumbo off MSUSA with Casey and build out the FLE with PH and M&Gs and Pooh spinner clone replacing Tea Cups. Remove speedway, expand and reimagine Tomorrowland.

Then remove IaSW. Reroute the parade through Fantasyland and finish Liberty Square as originally planned.

Then add to Fronterland and Adventureland as suggested by some earlier in this thread.

 

[jdmdisney99]

This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet.

And does this not describe EPCOT itself?

 

[DougK]

I don't want to remove it. Just put Dumbo off MSUSA with Casey and build out the FLE with PH and M&Gs and Pooh spinner clone replacing Tea Cups. Remove speedway, expand and reimagine Tomorrowland.

Then remove IaSW. Reroute the parade through Fantasyland and finish Liberty Square as originally planned.

Then add to Fronterland and Adventureland as suggested by some earlier in this thread.

Or for the same money, build a 5th gate.

 

[jdmdisney99]

Or for the same money, build a 5th gate.

Don't build a fifth house until you've lived in the first four.

 

[jt04]

Or for the same money, build a 5th gate.

The fantasyland portion would not be that expensive. The new areas would easily pay for themselves in short order. Couldn't be done overnight. Fantasyland by the 50th anniversary. And the rest by the 60th seems reasonable.

 

[doctornick]

Either getting rid of IASW entirely or moving it to EPCOT would have the same effect. There would be major backlash from the public. In many ways It's A Small World IS Fantasyland. This ride aims at the exact age Disney is most looking to entertain (the child in all of us). It has connections to Walt. It has a song that is as well-known as just about any Disney song on the planet. By the way it is far from my favorite ride, this is not personal at all.

That might be argument to not remove it from DL, but WDW is just a copy of the original and doesn't even have the charm of that. In fact, one of the better reasons IMHO to move it to Epcot not only because it fits the theme better, but because it can be given the proper Mary Blair facade and even have a projection show.

It's not like Walt said "you must put IASW in MK" -- he didn't even play a role in setting up what attractions were going into MK.

There would be a very negative outcry from the public if they removed IASW from MK. For example there are more people who do not buy Park Hoppers than you apparently think there are. And especially those with little children whose main focus is MK and Fantasyland may resent having to pay extra to go to EPCOT to ride IASW. Many would not do it and would therefore be upset.

You've just make a great argument to move it. Why wouldn't Disney want people to buy more tickets and visit more parks. The general trend at Epcot has been to make it more family and kid friendly anyway.

Seriously, I don't see people would care much as long as the IASW is kept somewhere in WDW. They still be able to ride it on a trip to WDW. This would be far less of an issue than the loss of 20K or Mr. Toad (or CBJ in DLR) because the ride would still be around.

As an aside, I don't think Shanghai is getting IASW, right?

 

[mahnamahna101]

Double Dumbo could be rethemed rather easily. Flying Pirate Ships?

One doesn't simply remove the Dumbo

 

[mahnamahna101]

That might be argument to not remove it from DL, but WDW is just a copy of the original and doesn't even have the charm of that. In fact, one of the better reasons IMHO to move it to Epcot not only because it fits the theme better, but because it can be given the proper Mary Blair facade and even have a projection show.

It's not like Walt said "you must put IASW in MK" -- he didn't even play a role in setting up what attractions were going into MK.



You've just make a great argument to move it. Why wouldn't Disney want people to buy more tickets and visit more parks. The general trend at Epcot has been to make it more family and kid friendly anyway.

Seriously, I don't see people would care much as long as the IASW is kept somewhere in WDW. They still be able to ride it on a trip to WDW. This would be far less of an issue than the loss of 20K or Mr. Toad (or CBJ in DLR) because the ride would still be around.

As an aside, I don't think Shanghai is getting IASW, right?

It's not planned to... I'd rather see it as the anchor of WS myself. It'd give Epcot something else to do. I wouldn't mind the ride staying where it is. But the arguments for relocation work as well.

We'd no longer have the major northwestern bottleneck because you could connect the two areas. It'd allow other Disney fairy tales an attraction. And give an excuse to freshen up the Philharmagic/PPF/Small World area

 

[RSoxNo1]

Imagine with me real quick, if they gutted the whole Peter Pan building and rebuilt it from scratch...

Add seating to accommodate four to five people per vehicle, add new fiber optic sets with SDMT quality animatronics, enclose the queue area and add new art work and air conditioning.

That's my dream...

I've long said that Peter Pan's Flight is the most overrated attraction in WDW. I would expect that any refurbishment to it would result in Mine Train type figures which would be a huge upgrade. The best thing the attraction has going for it is the ride system. Keep that (or something in place) and upgrade the show scenes.

As for Fantasyland in general, I actually think it's a small world is a bad fit for Fantasyland. It's separated in California from their 1984 redo and is used as a transition attraction to Toontown. In Florida it's across from a classic (albeit an overrated one as stated above). Personally, I think that Fantasyland should only be for characaters from Disney animation. They have 70+ years of stories to fill out the land, and more or less any of the European fairytales fit in thematically.

Just like people complain that character based attractions don't belong in Epcot, I think the opposite is true in Fantasyland.

As the former mayor of Boston would say, "Give me the keys and I'll get the job done." I'd move it's a small world to the Odyssey area, I'd level the building expanding that area for Tangled, Frozen, and probably a larger Princess Meet and Greet area. This would open the prime real estate of Fairytale Hall to return to a dark ride, like it should be.

 

[mahnamahna101]

I've long said that Peter Pan's Flight is the most overrated attraction in WDW. I would expect that any refurbishment to it would result in Mine Train type figures which would be a huge upgrade. The best thing the attraction has going for it is the ride system. Keep that (or something in place) and upgrade the show scenes.

As for Fantasyland in general, I actually think it's a small world is a bad fit for Fantasyland. It's separated in California from their 1984 redo and is used as a transition attraction to Toontown. In Florida it's across from a classic (albeit an overrated one as stated above). Personally, I think that Fantasyland should only be for characaters from Disney animation. They have 70+ years of stories to fill out the land, and more or less any of the European fairytales fit in thematically.

Just like people complain that character based attractions don't belong in Epcot, I think the opposite is true in Fantasyland.

As the former mayor of Boston would say, "Give me the keys and I'll get the job done." I'd move it's a small world to the Odyssey area, I'd level the building expanding that area for Tangled, Frozen, and probably a larger Princess Meet and Greet area. This would open the prime real estate of Fairytale Hall to return to a dark ride, like it should be.

Sleeping Beauty or Mary Poppins! Philharmagic and the old bathrooms could be used to expand PPF. Move it to Town Square. The tents and signage for Storybook Circus could be removed for a show. Use part of the Speedway for an Alice dark ride... the other half as a Tomorrowland expansion entrance with Sugar Rush RSR-style attraction, Tron show, upgraded Flying Saucers and a new time travel E ticket. There's room behind the Speedway. Tomorrowland gets a redo in general. Adventureland gets Indy and Fire Mountain. Frontierland gets Western River Expedition and Geyser Mountain. Liberty Square gets Sleepy Hollow. MK is pretty much set after that!

 

[jdmdisney99]

Okay, I think this thread has had enough armchair Imagineering and wishful thinking.

I hope they do something interesting with the queue, but what might it be? A playground? Interactive screens? I'm betting on a Tinker Bell game similar to the blue crabs at JotLM.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Okay, I think this thread has had enough armchair Imagineering and wishful thinking.

I hope they do something interesting with the queue, but what might it be? A playground? Interactive screens? I'm betting on a Tinker Bell game similar to the blue crabs at JotLM.

Small play areas/games like Pooh and Mermaid, a new facade and new AAs is the most I'd expect.

 

[Jose]

I still don't understand what are they going to do with PP... a new facade like DL? new queue?...

 

[Mike S]

I still don't understand what are they going to do with PP... a new facade like DL? new queue?...

So far it seems like just the queue, but we're hoping other updates come too.