Patty Jenkins' 'Rogue Squadron' coming December 2023

[Wendy Pleakley]

Ah maybe this is the problem, the expectation for the ST was maybe too high. Instead of expecting just popcorn films, which is what I've always seen them as, a large portion of fans were expecting "quality cinema" as you put it. To me Star Wars has ALWAYS been flawed, they've ALWAYS been popcorn films that were like the old Saturday afternoon serials that George was paying homage to like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. And so I've always liked them for what they were, not holding them up on some pedestal as the pinnacle of cinema.


If I'm being honest if I was in Disney's position I would have probably done the same thing. I would have been like, ok fine then I'll take my toys and go home and just wait until you've had a chance to calm down. And then after a number of years I would have put out a new set of movies that have nothing to do with anything Skywalker related and watch the money roll in. Which appears to be exactly what Disney is doing. Just waiting, putting out some D+ series to tide fans over until the overall mood improves and then release some new movies later.

If we look at the quality and reaction to Star Wars as a whole, one can argue the last truly excellent Star Wars movie was released in 1980.

I've enjoyed all of the films to varying degrees but I totally agree that maybe, just maybe, people expect too much from the franchise.

 

[GimpYancIent]

There is plenty of room for further Star Wars movies if series such as the Mandalorian, The book of Bubba Fett and now Andor are any indicators. The battle between the Rebellion and the Empire spans an entire galaxy which means there are many stories that can be told, not just specifically the Skywalkers. Rogue Squadron is such an opportunity, too bad there are many corporate issues and factors that affect the generation of any productions.

 

[Screamface]

If as many people were happy with how Disney handled star wars as I'm told they are. Why aren't we seeing he next instalment like we should be?

Disney now has the great tool in Disney+ to see what people are watching and rewatching. If there was a lot of people watching the sequels, there'd be a Disney+ series announced related to them.

 

[GimpYancIent]

There are two words that encompass what the current Disney Co. management team lacks 1. Imagination and 2. Creativity.

 

[erasure fan1]

Disney now has the great tool in Disney+ to see what people are watching and rewatching. If there was a lot of people watching the sequels, there'd be a Disney+ series announced related to them.

I agree. If the steaming numbers for the sequels were good, I'm sure we would see the story continuing. Not only on D+ but in the theaters. The question that gets pushed to the side is why, if they were so successful, has Disney abandoned them? We're told that the general public and fan enjoyed the sequels, and the people complaining are the vast minority. If that were true, we would not have seen a full stop in my opinion.

 

[DCBaker]

Patty Jenkins comments on the status of Rogue Squadron -

"Patty Jenkins is clearing up what happened with Wonder Woman 3 and her return to Rogue Squadron.

“Sigh… I’m not one to talk about private career matters, but I will not allow inaccuracies to continue,” Jenkins shared in a statement on Twitter."

“Here are the facts: I originally left Rogue Squadron after a long and productive development process when it became clear it couldn’t happen soon enough and I did not want to delay WW3 any further. When I did, Lucasfilm asked me to consider coming back to RS after WW3, which I was honored to do, so I agreed. They made a new deal with me. In fact, I am still on it and that project has been in active development ever since. I don’t know if it will happen or not. We never do until the development process is complete, but I look forward to its potential ahead.”

Full article below.

Patty Jenkins Says She “Never Walked Away” From ‘Wonder Woman 3’ & Gives Update On ‘Rogue Squadron’

Patty Jenkins Says She “Never Walked Away” From ‘Wonder Woman 3’ & Gives Update On ‘Rogue Squadron’

deadline.com

 

[jeangreyforever]

I don't understand why Jon Favreau isn't running it all. Everything under Kathleen Kennedy has been horrible. She wanted to kill off Luke and Han and of course keep Leia alive. Even though she had a good reason to kill off the latter one. Because Carrie Fisher is actually fricking dead in real life.

Now she is moving onto killing off Ford's other character (Indiana Jones), in a some stupid timetraveling bit. That's such a bad idea it makes the horrible fourth one's storyline of Aliens sound more plausible.

This is an older post but I feel the need to comment. Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo to die since way back in ROTJ. He agreed to come back for TFA provided his character would be killed off once and for all since he felt there was nothing left for Han's character. If we wanted to see Harrison again as Han, he was going to have to die. Personally, I'm glad he was willing to come back for a cameo in TROS as well, probably since Carrie wasn't around so they needed him.

The character of Luke was probably always going to die considering every other Jedi mentor died and became a force ghost. What's more proof is that Mark himself stated in George's concept for the ST, Luke would have died albeit in the final movie of the trilogy. I suppose you can argue that Luke should have been killed off in TROS instead of TLJ but every movie in the ST was meant to be a showcase for one of the original trio. Han with TFA, Luke with TLJ, and Leia with TROS. It was unfortunate that Carrie passed away before her movie. You could also argue that this plan was flawed and the series should have always ended with Luke's movie rather than Leia's. However, even that component came from George's ST concept. George wanted to reveal that Leia was the real Chosen One (not Anakin or even Luke) and she would have gotten an increased focus. Pablo Hidalgo and even Dave Filoni mentioned that for the ST we got, the plan was similarly to showcase Leia as the savior of the galaxy although I don't think they were going to go as far as making her the Chosen One as George did. They felt since the saga started with a mother (Shmi), it should end with a mother's love for her son. TROS had hundreds of flaws, but I do think that a root issue for many of them was the fact that you couldn't really end the trilogy convincingly without Carrie.

That being said, I really hope the rumors for Indiana Jones are completely false and Indy isn't killed off. John Williams just said that the ending is being reshot, so if it was true, hopefully they've seen the fan reaction and are changing it.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Patty Jenkins comments on the status of Rogue Squadron -

"Patty Jenkins is clearing up what happened with Wonder Woman 3 and her return to Rogue Squadron.

“Sigh… I’m not one to talk about private career matters, but I will not allow inaccuracies to continue,” Jenkins shared in a statement on Twitter."

“Here are the facts: I originally left Rogue Squadron after a long and productive development process when it became clear it couldn’t happen soon enough and I did not want to delay WW3 any further. When I did, Lucasfilm asked me to consider coming back to RS after WW3, which I was honored to do, so I agreed. They made a new deal with me. In fact, I am still on it and that project has been in active development ever since. I don’t know if it will happen or not. We never do until the development process is complete, but I look forward to its potential ahead.”

Full article below.

Patty Jenkins Says She “Never Walked Away” From ‘Wonder Woman 3’ & Gives Update On ‘Rogue Squadron’

Patty Jenkins Says She “Never Walked Away” From ‘Wonder Woman 3’ & Gives Update On ‘Rogue Squadron’

deadline.com

I hope that if Rogue Squadron does come into being that it is the Top Gun of Star Wars movies.

 

[jeangreyforever]

It is important to pay respect to the past and give legacy characters happy endings. They don't have to all die. I honestly wouldn't have brought Harrison Ford back. If that was a tacked on stipulation for his appearance. Most fans don't want to see a legend die (whose been around since 1977) so brutally.

It's different from Obi-Wan and Yoda (in the OT) because they died in their first movie. We didn't get to know them and form an attachment.

I can understand that but I also think it's unrealistic for every legacy character to get a happy ending, especially considering how most Star Wars characters end up. Out of the main trio, Han always seemed the most expendable especially considering that his cliffhanger ending in TESB was deliberately because George wasn't sure Harrison would return for ROTJ. I don't think it would have been feasible to not bring back Han in the ST. If Disney didn't do it, fans would complain endlessly (the same way they complained that Luke and Han never reunited onscreen in what we did get). The other issue was that out of the three, Han was always the most popular character to the general public and Harrison Ford the biggest star, hence why he gets top billing in TFA. Harrison had a lot of influence over the movie, for example most people assume Ben Solo was named after Ben Kenobi but that was more of a coincidence than anything. It was Harrison who requested his onscreen son be named Ben because one of his own sons is named Ben.

That being said, your idea could maybe have been possible since when George was planning his ST, the three actors he reached out to were Mark, Carrie, and Ian McDiarmid. He said he wouldn't have bothered with a ST if those three actors wouldn't return, which tells me that since Harrison wasn't one of the actors he specifically reached out to, Han would have been incidental in his trilogy. I don't remember anything in his plans for Han either. The only issue with writing out Han is that he and Leia are supposed to be a couple so how can you have one without bringing the other back? Separating them would take away their happy ending as you said and so would having him already dead when the new trilogy starts. In that sense, there's really no way to have a happy ending for Han's character (and by extension Leia) whether he's included or not.

Han's death doesn't bother me that much because every trilogy starts off with the mentor figure being killed, whether it was Obi-Wan in the OT or Qui-Gon in the PT. In that sense, it was necessary and although TFA isn't a huge favorite movie of mine, I do think one of its biggest strengths is in giving us one last adventure with Han and that includes his heartfelt demise.

 

[erasure fan1]

Han's death doesn't bother me that much because every trilogy starts off with the mentor figure being killed, whether it was Obi-Wan in the OT or Qui-Gon in the PT.

I think the issue comes down to the planning of the trilogy. If the force awakens started with a focus on luke, han and leia together. Then if han bites it at the end, I really don't see people all that upset about it. But because of how poorly the sequel trilogy was planned out, hans death ticked off so many people in my opinion. Personally I think if they weren't going to give the fans, or really the world, what they expected. Which was the gang together one last time. Then just go so far out you don't need to worry about legacy characters.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Wedge Antilles appears in several Star Wars episodes, so he is not some new character. The evolution of Rogue Squadron will definitely need to have him in a prominent roll.

 

[jeangreyforever]

I think the issue comes down to the planning of the trilogy. If the force awakens started with a focus on luke, han and leia together. Then if han bites it at the end, I really don't see people all that upset about it. But because of how poorly the sequel trilogy was planned out, hans death ticked off so many people in my opinion. Personally I think if they weren't going to give the fans, or really the world, what they expected. Which was the gang together one last time. Then just go so far out you don't need to worry about legacy characters.

The idea of having Luke in exile came from George Lucas' ST plans. Rey (known as Kira in his version) would go and find him. The original plan for TFA was to bring in Luke as well, and not save him for the next movie, but the issue was that the second Luke came in, the movie became all about him and no one was interested in the new characters anymore. They felt it was better to save Luke for later so you could get invested in the new characters. That meant that all the Rey/Luke stuff on Ahch-To ended up being shunted off for TLJ instead of TFA.

Apparently there were also scenes in TFA shooting script of a young Luke, Leia, and Han together. I'm assuming they would have used CGI to de-age the trio but I've never heard if these scenes were ever filmed or not. Leia and Han would be dropping off a young Ben to Luke for training and I think there was an additional flashback of Luke training with Ben. I was hoping that they would use some of this footage for TROS since JJ Abrams promised he would use the deleted footage of Carrie but since it didn't show up, my guess is that it was never filmed.

 

[erasure fan1]

but the issue was that the second Luke came in, the movie became all about him and no one was interested in the new characters anymore. They felt it was better to save Luke for later so you could get invested in the new characters.

I believe it was Michael Arndt who said that in an interview. But from the things I've read, it wasn't the writers who had the problem with that. It was Kennedy/Disney. It was a very flawed way of looking at things. Of course the original 3, especially Luke, would overshadow the new characters. But that's a good thing. Especially when you are trying to pass the torch to a new generation. Otherwise I just don't see the point of bringing any of them back. 7, 8 and 9 should have been about the legacy characters or not at all. All they accomplished this way was a bunch of what ifs in my opinion.

 

[Phroobar]

I believe it was Michael Arndt who said that in an interview. But from the things I've read, it wasn't the writers who had the problem with that. It was Kennedy/Disney. It was a very flawed way of looking at things. Of course the original 3, especially Luke, would overshadow the new characters. But that's a good thing. Especially when you are trying to pass the torch to a new generation. Otherwise I just don't see the point of bringing any of them back. 7, 8 and 9 should have been about the legacy characters or not at all. All they accomplished this way was a bunch of what ifs in my opinion.

Then they had wasted the new characters they brought in. Finn did pretty much nothing the entire trilogy except scream "Rey!" over and over. Poe would have been a lot more interesting to see him do the things he talked about in ROSW. That sounded better than the movie I was watching. Captain Phasma ended up just being a mid level boss fight. Even General Weasley was just an angry guy that was never a threat and did absolutely nothing.

 

[erasure fan1]

Then they had wasted the new characters they brought in. Finn did pretty much nothing the entire trilogy except scream "Rey!" over and over. Poe would have been a lot more interesting to see him do the things he talked about in ROSW. That sounded better than the movie I was watching. Captain Phasma ended up just being a mid level boss fight. Even General Weasley was just an angry guy that was never a threat and did absolutely nothing.

I don't think they would have wasted the new characters. If done properly, we would most likely be seeing a trilogy with the new characters. They needed people to go on one last adventure and basically say goodbye to the characters they have loved all these years. And over the course of the sequels you develop the new group to takeover by the end of the trilogy.

 

[BubbaisSleep]

Then they had wasted the new characters they brought in. Finn did pretty much nothing the entire trilogy except scream "Rey!" over and over. Poe would have been a lot more interesting to see him do the things he talked about in ROSW. That sounded better than the movie I was watching. Captain Phasma ended up just being a mid level boss fight. Even General Weasley was just an angry guy that was never a threat and did absolutely nothing.

I remember that scene where the trio hugged like they haven’t seen each other forever and I was like “didn’t two of you just meet at the end of the second movie.” I can’t believe the writers allowed them to be apart for so long.

 

[Phroobar]

I don't think they would have wasted the new characters. If done properly, we would most likely be seeing a trilogy with the new characters. They needed people to go on one last adventure and basically say goodbye to the characters they have loved all these years. And over the course of the sequels you develop the new group to takeover by the end of the trilogy.

Unfortunately, they didn't do it properly. The trio should have been having the adventures together. In the first one we barely saw Poe. The second everyone was on their own pointless missions. At least they brought them together for the third. No one grew as characters except maybe Rey a little.

 

[erasure fan1]

No one grew as characters except maybe Rey a little.

Finn actually regressed as a character.

 

[Screamface]

The idea of having Luke in exile came from George Lucas' ST plans. Rey (known as Kira in his version) would go and find him. The original plan for TFA was to bring in Luke as well, and not save him for the next movie, but the issue was that the second Luke came in, the movie became all about him and no one was interested in the new characters anymore. They felt it was better to save Luke for later so you could get invested in the new characters. That meant that all the Rey/Luke stuff on Ahch-To ended up being shunted off for TLJ instead of TFA.

Worth noting, that Luke in exile, or what exactly he was doing was not turning his way on the force and the Jedi. In the concept art Luke would meditate in a temple, lifting a giant dome of rock above his head.

 

[itsy bitsy spider]

Patty Jenkins sucks, Wonder Woman 84 was all her. That is what she does all on her own.

Zack Snyder held her hand for the first Wonder Woman. And she's lived off the glory of it ever since. Of course Kathleen Kennedy was all over her right away too. They are both sexists.