News Park attendance showing significant softness heading into the Fall 2018

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They seem to be holding rooms for longer reservations a little more aggressively now.

8-10 nothing.....6-10 a lot opens up...

It’s jersey week...

We have 11,000,000 people and 5,500.000 go to WDW that week...and none of them want to stay off property.

Way too late in the game to look for that

Edit: what’s “a lot”? I keep seeing this and I’m wondering why they aren’t selling rooms they always have (Aint broke...put your tools away)...

But I can guess there too
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
If that’s what’s happening, I misunderstood. Which is entirely possible.

It happens a lot...I just think if we went back and forth 3 times we’d probably agree like 85%...

I’ll say this...the way they constructed it with feige was brilliant...

But as you allude too...comic books are gonna fade periodically no matter what...marvel is in a different place now because off the screen stuff is becoming big. You have cast leaving because disney no longer wants to pay and another group in open revolt because they fired Gunn.

I actually think the smart move would be to put the avengers characters on ice for awhile and now reboot X-men...they need new actors in some of those roles (jean grey is horrid...as she is in any part)

But you can’t say Star Wars is tired/overexposed when they are cranking 3-4 mcu films per year...I mean...between them, Fox and Sony...it’s a frontal assault.

The problem there is they all have to be better...and some have no shot. It’s kinda always been the comic book thing on film. One mediocre and you end up at reboot.
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
The current comic film moment will fade

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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I think most of the culture-war talk about Star Wars is a bit of a tempest in a teacup. I could be wrong, but from what I've seen most of the hand-wringing is being done by an especially loud minority. I haven't run into much evidence of those debates among the general public.

I'd argue that Star Wars' issue is mainly that they seem to be having a lot of trouble creating compelling new characters and villains and recreating the mystery and awe that pervaded the original films. I feel like Glover as Lando kinda epitomizes the whole franchise at this point. It sounds perfect on paper. It looks great in a trailer. But they made the film a couple notches too conservatively and it came out feeling restrained and overworked.

I started watching "Solo" on my flight to Paris recently. Turned it off 15 minutes into it. It was just bad. So glad I didn't waste money seeing it in the theater...

Poor SW movie decisions (KK should have been let go the moment the ink dried on the sale paperwork) and over-saturation is what will keep crowd levels below TWDC expectations for SW:GE in the swamps.
 

kong1802

Well-Known Member
It’s jersey week...

We have 11,000,000 people and 5,500.000 go to WDW that week...and none of them want to stay off property.

Way too late in the game to look for that

Edit: what’s “a lot”? I keep seeing this and I’m wondering why they aren’t selling rooms they always have (Aint broke...out your tools away)...

But I can guess there too

Forgot about Jersey Week....

Yeah, not really a lot, lol...

Went from a $2k/night GF villa from 8-10 as the only option to 6 or 7 options for regular rooms from 6-10.

I'm not sure of their strategy here...When will they open up those rooms they are holding out for longer ressies on? We are only a month out...

ETA: I guess its one way to up the profit per guest....It's OT, but I've noticed it more and more this year, as we frequently only spend 2 nights at WDW being semi local. I've seen little to no availability only to get a TA rate for what I need or have to call in and get the nights that aren't showing available. Or even book more than I need and call back and cancel what I didn't want.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
On the superhero genre: The heyday of the Western genre on TV and film lasted 3 decades and has had periods of popularity both before and after that heyday. So, genre fatigue predictions can be true, or very very wrong.

On translating film IP to the parks: The princess angle has always been popular in the parks even during long periods of no new princess films. Pandora is hugely popular despite being based only on one (very popular at its time) film. So, SWL doesn't need brand new SW films or TV to be popular.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
On the superhero genre: The heyday of the Western genre on TV and film lasted 3 decades and has had periods of popularity both before and after that heyday. So, genre fatigue predictions can be true, or very very wrong.

On translating film IP to the parks: The princess angle has always been popular in the parks even during long periods of no new princess films. Pandora is hugely popular despite being based only on one (very popular at its time) film. So, SWL doesn't need brand new SW films or TV to be popular.

I concede your point...but Marshall Dillon had a lot less competition.

And I don’t think there’s much of a chance of Star Wars land not being successful - and I know we like to keep the focus tight here - so I agree there.

But there’s been a lot of interesting takes - including by Marni - about how that may not manifest the way everyone seems to have thought since 2015
 

geekza

Well-Known Member
On the superhero genre: The heyday of the Western genre on TV and film lasted 3 decades and has had periods of popularity both before and after that heyday. So, genre fatigue predictions can be true, or very very wrong.

On translating film IP to the parks: The princess angle has always been popular in the parks even during long periods of no new princess films. Pandora is hugely popular despite being based only on one (very popular at its time) film. So, SWL doesn't need brand new SW films or TV to be popular.
I agree. Superheroes are part of the "American Mythology" and it's doubtful that they'll disappear anytime soon. I do think that the days of three or four Superhero movies a year are nearing their end, though. We'll see.

As for Star Wars, it has been ingrained in popular culture since it first hit in 1977. While I think that Disney is smart in scaling back its yearly output, there is enough love for the property, in general, that GE would have to really lay a stinking poo for it to not be a substantial draw. Remember that we went through a 16-year period with no new Star Wars movies and then had three pretty awful films and another decade before Force Awakens came out and Star Wars didn't go anywhere. It might not have been front and center, but it was always there. While there are a certain number of people who didn't like Last Jedi, their numbers have been widely blown out of proportion. Most, not all, of the hatred came from sexist and racist man-babies who just happen to be loud and who know how to set up bots to flood review sections of websites. There are people who didn't care for it and that's fine. The ones making all the noise and, unfortunately, controlling the subsequent narrative are just a small group. The movie made a ton of money and was well-reviewed and generally liked by the majority of people who saw it. Solo wasn't great, but it was a bad idea from the start. It isn't going to kill the franchise.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I started watching "Solo" on my flight to Paris recently. Turned it off 15 minutes into it. It was just bad. So glad I didn't waste money seeing it in the theater...

Poor SW movie decisions (KK should have been let go the moment the ink dried on the sale paperwork) and over-saturation is what will keep crowd levels below TWDC expectations for SW:GE in the swamps.

Just curious...what is “better” in your opinion from Disney’s Star
Wars?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
While there are a certain number of people who didn't like Last Jedi, their numbers have been widely blown out of proportion. Most, not all, of the hatred came from sexist and racist man-babies who just happen to be loud and who know how to set up bots to flood review sections of websites. There are people who didn't care for it and that's fine. The ones making all the noise and, unfortunately, controlling the subsequent narrative are just a small group. The movie made a ton of money and was well-reviewed and generally liked by the majority of people who saw it.

But it’s not the hatred/vitriol that Disney has to look at. I would venture that they don’t care at all.

It’s INDIFFERENCE that is the problem. Those that really don’t care. The uniqueness of Star Wars was how many people were at least some level of “Fan”...not just viewers.

Box office receipts never accounted for the Phenomenon. I haven’t seen the estimate recently...but circa 2012 I think Star Wars had licensed $45 billion in licenses product.

Billion...and to your point...it’s because it had legs.

George and now Kennedy have done a hell of a job trying to make it like “everything else”.

Again...this shouldn’t be this hard to make movies that resonate consider what they had to work with.
 

Brad Bishop

Well-Known Member
So Tropical Storm Michael is strengthening and will probably be a hurricane when it lands this week (probably on the panhandle). I’m going to assume this will possibly have an effect on some crowds?

With the Star Wars sub conversation mixed in there I actually read that as, "So Storm Trooper Michael is strengthening..."

I had to read it three times before I read it outside of the Star Wars conext.
 

geekza

Well-Known Member
It’s INDIFFERENCE that is the problem. Those that really don’t care. The uniqueness of Star Wars was how many people were at least some level of “Fan”...not just viewers.
I think that's true, which is why I'm glad they've retreated from their plan of, "We're going to release a Star Wars movie every year." Episodes VII and VIII made, combined, over $1.5 billion at the box office and that doesn't take into account home video sales and merchandise. There's still a love and demand for Star Wars. I just think Disney overestimated what the public was willing to support. You are absolutely correct that it was the "uniqueness" of the films that had, heretofore, been a draw. Even the lesser films had time to build up anticipation. Suddenly, once Disney got hold of the property, they were like a kid at Christmas who wants to show their new toy to everyone... over and over. I think they did a great job bringing life back to a series that had been pretty damaged (by its original creator, of all people). They just need to realize that they can't throw any old thing out there with Star Wars stamped on it and expect it to be an immediate cash cow. I'm hoping that the decision to put on the brakes is because they realize that and see the need to devote more time and effort into making what they do release worthy additions to the franchise. From everything I've seen of the designs and construction of GE, they haven't spared any expense on detail, so I'm cautiously optimistic about it. We'll see. If, by some chance, we find out after it opens that they blew it, then it will be devastating to the company in the long run. It will certainly be interesting to watch what happens.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Just curious...what is “better” in your opinion from Disney’s Star
Wars?

It shouldn't be hard to craft a story that flows logically out of the original trilogy. TFA was moderately able to do that, but stumbled badly in places (*CoughFinnisanentirelyforgettableandworthlesscharacterCough*). I won't even go into the steaming pile of TLJ...

As far as "Solo" goes - Starting a movie about a smuggler/scoundrel/stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder shouldn't showcase said character stealing something so he and his fiance can escape to a different planet to settle down. Just... no.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Same. I find the casting and story in 7 and 8 to be abysmal. I can help but cringe almost the whole time I'm watching. I thought Rogue One and Solo were great films.

I'm very excited for the new series of films though. I can't wait to say goodbye to the Skywalker saga sequels.

Which “series”?
 

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