News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

[No Name]

I’m not sure why folks keep mentioning Toy Story Land in comparison to Pixar Pier. They are two vastly different concepts, ones that don’t make sense to compare. If Toy Story Land should be compared to anything, it would be Cars Land. That would be the equivalent.

Because some people are extremely tilted to the point that they take pleasure in seeing one project, one resort, one company, etc. be superior to another. There is nothing wrong with having a favorite park but everything wrong with wanting other parks to become or remain inferior. Real theme park fans hope for the highest quality anywhere and everywhere. Real theme parks fans celebrate projects that raise the bar and laud projects that lower the bar regardless of what park they are a part of.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I guess you've convinced me that Toy Story Land > Pixar Pier. Congratulations.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The lack of a consistent scale in Toy Story Land is what makes it so awful.

...said no reviewer or cast member or previewer who has actually been in the land and has put their thoughts to the written word or video. (So far.)

The differing size scale is the purview of the "Disney can't do anything right" crowd and they have to make up stuff to be critical.

I'm not saying TSL is perfect. Lots of complaints with lack of shade and WDW should be rightly dinged for not dealing with that. And from an armchair point of view, there is so much more they could have done. But, on the ground, it's getting great reviews and just about everyone is saying how surprisingly good Dash is. (Sometimes, low expectations works out to one's advantage.)

 

[TROR]

...said no reviewer or cast member or previewer who has actually been in the land and has put their thoughts to the written word or video. (So far.)

The differing size scale is the purview of the "Disney can't do anything right" crowd and they have to make up stuff to be critical.

I'm not saying TSL is perfect. Lots of complaints with lack of shade and WDW should be rightly dinged for not dealing with that. And from an armchair point of view, there is so much more they could have done. But, on the ground, it's getting great reviews and just about everyone is saying how surprisingly good Dash is. (Sometimes, low expectations works out to one's advantage.)

It certainly did for Mission Breakout.

Nonetheless, the lack of scale is bad. It's a simple thing that Disney should be able to deliver on. Why is the statue of Woody 15 feet tall but Woody walking around is 7 feet tall? Is the statue of Woody supposed to be real Woody or the one walking around? What's the deal with two Woody's anyway? I know that ""nitpicky"" but Disney's the one who has set the standard.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Indeed!

 

[SuddenStorm]

You can write software to do that. Test Track/Cars (or even the HP rides): You have specialized software written to do a lot of little things which have a lot of underlying requirements/dependencies and I bet we start seeing in the coming decades, newer rides die off quicker than older ones because they're harder to repair / aren't worth it. Realistically, they're not going to invest in new software for a complex ride 30 years down the line. It'd be cheaper and a bigger bang for the buck to just replace the attraction.

The Matterhorn was one of the first computer controlled coasters, which got the computers in '78 when they overhauled it. I also believe that BTMRR has been computer controlled since the beginning.

Disney has a precedent for upgrading their older attractions. Both BTMRR and Space Mountain have been almost entirely rebuilt and overhauled.

 

[TROR]

All things considered I would say Pixar Pier is lazier and thus worse. But both suck. Can't we just be unified in hating them both?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I know that ""nitpicky"" but Disney's the one who has set the standard.

Like how a M&G mouse or a pixie is as tall as any human?

 

[TROR]

Like how a M&G mouse or a pixie is as tall as any human?

Nah those are reasonable. There's no giant Tinkerbell or giant Mickey behind them that's also supposed to be the real character.

 

[nevol]

Because Pixar Pier weakened the thematic consistency of an entire area of the park, overlaid rides that didn’t need to be overlaid with poor results, and added zero new rides to the park.

Toy Story added two new outdoor family rides to a park with two family rides (one with a height requirement) and zero outdoor rides on land that had been underutilized for decades. There’s also tons of expansion room left in DHS, so taking up too much space isn’t really a problem.

Your logic is flawed anyways. Pixar Pier doesn’t get credit for World of Color, TSM, or the restaurant, as they’ve been there for years, and would still be there (along with all the other rides) without the Pixar overlay.

Toy Story Land wouldn’t be great for DCA, but that wasn’t the point; the point was that Toy Story Land was a better use of the company’s money than Pixar Pier, which it was. Nobody said they should’ve torn down the pier and put Toy Story Land on that plot.

I still disagree on this last point. PP cost way less if we ignore the infrastructure that was already there than toy story land, and it takes up way less space. I don't think DHS has tons of expansion room, and 11 acres have now gone toward a land that accomplishes evoking the same emotions as a bugs land can in 1/3 the footprint, with a combined hourly ride capacity between the new rides at 1500-2000 an hour, which is still less than incredicoaster alone. It is hard to compare a fully built out land to another project if you exclude the project in its totality in favor of looking only at the recent changes. The modifications wouldn't exist without the framework of the pier. I don't love pixar pier, and I certainly am not happy about LL or Incredicoaster, but overall the pier is still superior to toy story land in a lot of ways. They each have their strengths, and plenty of weaknesses, and the only reason one might prefer one to the other is by zeroing in on a particular component of them.

Just watched a slinky dog dash night pov. is it more charming than incredicoaster? Yes. The length of the track has built in LED panels I think. Sum up my opinion as the following: I prefer the pier manifestation theme that pixar pier in areas develops further and nicely, and the infrastructure that was already there, to a loose lawn with oversized props. I am just as disgusted by Incredicoaster's overlay execution as the next guy though.

Which one do I prefer? PP... But which one is more disappointing? PP

 

[Kram Sacul]

It certainly did for Mission Breakout.

Nonetheless, the lack of scale is bad. It's a simple thing that Disney should be able to deliver on. Why is the statue of Woody 15 feet tall but Woody walking around is 7 feet tall? Is the statue of Woody supposed to be real Woody or the one walking around? What's the deal with two Woody's anyway? I know that ""nitpicky"" but Disney's the one who has set the standard.

TROR, you're thinking too much and asking questions again. In TSL we're supposed to be the size of green army men. The giant Woody at the entrance is the correct scale but a decoration. The smaller walk around Woody is the real thing but shrunk down so people don't get crushed.

 

[TROR]

Wow, this sucks.

 

[TP2000]

I would love to have OLC come out and re-do DCA.

WDI built Tokyo Disney Resort, the OLC just owns and operates it for Disney. Give WDI a big enough budget, and they'll build whatever you want in Anaheim.

It would be all character stuff. That's what OLC wants now because their guests are crazy for it.

Yeah, some of the Character stuff in Tokyo can be cutesy-nauseating. Luckily the Japanese are so adorable about their fetishes that it softens the creepiness a bit.

But I'd love to hear the AP's scream to high heaven if the OLC ever took over the Disneyland Resort, raising Anaheim standards up to Tokyo levels, but then also expecting customer standards to raise and obey OLC's standards too.

Those with visible tattoos would NOT be allowed to swim at the Disneyland Hotel pool, for instance. Those who look too punky or who dress in gang attire (including the Social Club nerds) would not be allowed into the park. Those who were chewing gum would be required to spit it out into a trash can before they were allowed to board a ride vehicle or enter a queue. Tokyo Disneyland has no re-admission passes for ride breakdowns; if a ride breaks down after you've waited for 2 hours you only get a mid-range bow and an apology, but no re-admission pass or automatic Fastpass. Etc., etc., etc.

The high standards of Tokyo Disneyland are a two way street. The OLC has very high standards for itself and its operation, but it also extends those high standards to those they allow to enter their parks. The average slovenly Me Generation Annual Passholder from SoCal with DAS and tats would never stand a chance against the OLC's park entrance and customer behavioral standards.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wow, this sucks.

...said no one who actually was on it.

 

[TP2000]

Wow, this sucks.

That's it? Seriously? The singing penguin at the end was cute, but... that's it?

You just convinced me to go ahead with my tentative plans to visit Bryce Canyon and the Utah National Parks this October instead of Orlando.

 

[mlayton144]

Looks like a nice family ride , well themed and not overly scary , the teenagers can goto Universal

 

[TROR]

Looks like a nice family ride , well themed and not overly scary , the teenagers can goto Universal

What is everyone seeing that I'm not? "Well themed." What the heck? It's a bare bones coaster with some props scattered about. "Well it's themed to a toy bare bones coaster." Oh boy how grand. If only Six Flags had thought of that it could be the greatest theme park in the world. It's lazy and pathetic. Imagineering just invented a stunt double robot but they can't do jack with their theme parks.

WDI built Tokyo Disney Resort, the OLC just owns and operates it for Disney. Give WDI a big enough budget, and they'll build whatever you want in Anaheim.



Yeah, some of the Character stuff in Tokyo can be cutesy-nauseating. Luckily the Japanese are so adorable about their fetishes that it softens the creepiness a bit.

But I'd love to hear the AP's scream to high heaven if the OLC ever took over the Disneyland Resort, raising Anaheim standards up to Tokyo levels, but then also expecting customer standards to raise and obey OLC's standards too.

Those with visible tattoos would NOT be allowed to swim at the Disneyland Hotel pool, for instance. Those who look too punky or who dress in gang attire (including the Social Club nerds) would not be allowed into the park. Those who were chewing gum would be required to spit it out into a trash can before they were allowed to board a ride vehicle or enter a queue. Tokyo Disneyland has no re-admission passes for ride breakdowns; if a ride breaks down after you've waited for 2 hours you only get a mid-range bow and an apology, but no re-admission pass or automatic Fastpass. Etc., etc., etc.

The high standards of Tokyo Disneyland are a two way street. The OLC has very high standards for itself and its operation, but it also extends those high standards to those they allow to enter their parks. The average slovenly Me Generation Annual Passholder from SoCal with DAS and tats would never stand a chance against the OLC's park entrance and customer behavioral standards.

Sign me up.

 

[Kram Sacul]

What is everyone seeing that I'm not? "Well themed." What the heck? It's a bare bones coaster with some props scattered about. "Well it's themed to a toy bare bones coaster." Oh boy how grand. If only Six Flags had thought of that it could be the greatest theme park in the world. It's lazy and pathetic. Imagineering just invented a stunt double robot but they can't do jack with their theme parks.

Your expectations are way too high. You’re comparing it to elaborate big budget attractions. Compare it Gadgets Go Coaster or the rides in Bugs Land at DCA.

It’s still better than what they did to California Screamin’.

 

[mlayton144]

What is everyone seeing that I'm not? "Well themed." What the heck? It's a bare bones coaster with some props scattered about. "Well it's themed to a toy bare bones coaster." Oh boy how grand. If only Six Flags had thought of that it could be the greatest theme park in the world. It's lazy and pathetic. Imagineering just invented a stunt double robot but they can't do jack with their theme parks.

Dude ..... relax. It’s a nice little addition to a park that is trying to reinvent itself. Toy story is one of Disney’s greatest franchises and the land looks like a nice place to spend time minus the hoards of people that will undoubtedly descend upon it in the beginning. I didn’t ever expect this land to be cutting edge, nor do I remember anyone else billing this as some transformative experience especially with SWGE being constructed right next door.

 

[fctiger]

Wow, this sucks.