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Practical Pig
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Without prominently strong facial features, which neither of them have in particular, puffy old people look a lot alike. Model them in clay, cast them in silicon, stretch them over a robotic armature produced by a different department, and all bets are off.
The profile model is distinctively Trump and doesn't resemble Hillary, particularly after her cosmetic surgery prior to the election. The front-on view is off for both of them.
And I still don't want an Uncanny Valley version of Walt.
When the elusive AA tech that could render a credible Walt AA somewhere down the pipeline emerges, as I imagine it eventually will, I'd want to see it in a dark ride that showed us Walt at different ages, producing his escalating accomplishments through his lifetime culminating in opening Disneyland.
The profile model is distinctively Trump and doesn't resemble Hillary, particularly after her cosmetic surgery prior to the election. The front-on view is off for both of them.
And I still don't want an Uncanny Valley version of Walt.
When the elusive AA tech that could render a credible Walt AA somewhere down the pipeline emerges, as I imagine it eventually will, I'd want to see it in a dark ride that showed us Walt at different ages, producing his escalating accomplishments through his lifetime culminating in opening Disneyland.
nevol
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The eyes and the lips are especially hers.The skin is definitely Trump's, but the model itself was absolutely Hillary's in my eyes. The skin does not fit the animatronic's skeleton at all and the neck is so skinny. I just don't see how this can be anything but.
yensidtlaw1969
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In truth that's not how Animatronic's skins work -- you can't just lay a specially made mask over the wrong head form and hope it looks good enough. Skins like that are too precise to just be laid on another skull - that the Trump animatronic in any way resembles a clean, finished AA -- even if it doesn't exactly resemble Trump -- is a testament to the fact that they built him his own skull.The skin is definitely Trump's, but the model itself was absolutely Hillary's in my eyes. The skin does not fit the animatronic's skeleton at all and the neck is so skinny. I just don't see how this can be anything but.
Heads like this are sculpted from the outside in - they get the face looking how they want and "reverse-engineer" the internals backwards from that, with some negotiation then after between both points to assure a clean, workable figure.
I'm not sure how true it is, but I recall hearing that in at least one point in time Disney would sculpt the likeness of both leading candidates before the election so that production on the finished figure could begin as soon as the results were in to ensure quick turnaround. If that was the case, and even if it isn't anymore, I can't imagine that Disney would approve the dollars to start a figure early on the presumption of one candidate's win when their Hall of President re-vamp timeline wouldn't really benefit from having the figure a little bit sooner. And indeed, it took HOW long for this latest version of the show to open? Longer than ever by a mile -- which says that either they didn't feel the fire to get ahead of the game, which disagrees with the idea of them starting a Hillary figure early, or it says they had to spend an inordinate amount of time making the Trump AA, which also betrays the idea that they took a shortcut on the skull. Of course there's the PR element to it that is the most likely cause for the extended downtime . . . but all this is to say that they wouldn't have to rush the AA if they had so many extra months before it would have to come online.
I'm sure you weren't looking for a diatribe on the subject, but this is a fan theory that seems to have blown slightly beyond proportion into actual belief, so it seems worth putting some water on it. It's a funny idea no doubt, but there's no practical, functional reason that the Trump AA would be a reworked Hillary AA.
Rich T
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Walt probably wouldn't have liked that either, but--just from a good taste perspective--it doesn't move and talk. If it did, it would be gross.
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Phroobar
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Is that an after and before picture of Trump's term in office?
Rich T
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I'm just saying, people who worked with Walt said he didn't want a statue of himself in the park. He wouldn't have liked the statue in the hub, either. It certainly seems to conflict with the fact that Walt loved to put his name on everything and name his park after himself, but there you go.
Many people do, in fact, find Lincoln's show and the Hall of Presidents morbid and creepy. The Lincoln, AA, though, is significant as the world's coolest tech demo: the first of its kind. In the 60's and 70's, Carousel of Progress was the go-to for comedians making fun of Disneyland. Those AA's were/are extremely creepy, but there was a lot of fun in that. More caricatured figures, like the Davis/Hench designs for the pirates, avoid the creepiness by embracing the "animated character" part of their makeup.
It's a matter of taste, but I think the closer you get to the lifetime of the person you're trying to "resurrect", the more tasteless it seems. Can you imagine Apple putting an AA of Steve Jobs in their corporate lobby? Maybe it's because I grew up watching Walt on TV, then mourned his death (I remember where I was when I heard), that the concept seems more cynical and crass to me. I mentioned Futurama before, and that's exactly the kind of ridicule the public would give a Walt AA. You'd have jokes about people wanting to commission AA's of their dead grandparents and pets.
Too soon. Still. Too connected to a massive corporation to be seen as a sincere tribute. Those are my thoughts on it.
mickEblu
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Walt probably wouldn't have liked that either, but--just from a good taste perspective--it doesn't move and talk. If it did, it would be gross.
Lol. Good point
mickEblu
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SteamboatJoe
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I'm just saying, people who worked with Walt said he didn't want a statue of himself in the park. He wouldn't have liked the statue in the hub, either. It certainly seems to conflict with the fact that Walt loved to put his name on everything and name his park after himself, but there you go.
Many people do, in fact, find Lincoln's show and the Hall of Presidents morbid and creepy. The Lincoln, AA, though, is significant as the world's coolest tech demo: the first of its kind. In the 60's and 70's, Carousel of Progress was the go-to for comedians making fun of Disneyland. Those AA's were/are extremely creepy, but there was a lot of fun in that. More caricatured figures, like the Davis/Hench designs for the pirates, avoid the creepiness by embracing the "animated character" part of their makeup.
It's a matter of taste, but I think the closer you get to the lifetime of the person you're trying to "resurrect", the more tasteless it seems. Can you imagine Apple putting an AA of Steve Jobs in their corporate lobby? Maybe it's because I grew up watching Walt on TV, then mourned his death (I remember where I was when I heard), that the concept seems more cynical and crass to me. I mentioned Futurama before, and that's exactly the kind of ridicule the public would give a Walt AA. You'd have jokes about people wanting to commission AA's of their dead grandparents and pets.
Too soon. Still. Too connected to a massive corporation to be seen as a sincere tribute. Those are my thoughts on it.
I think his name being on everything was less (but still some) ego and more branding. Walt Disney's name (and face) quickly became synonymous with high quality, family entertainment so it was important to keep that association.
My guess is Roy, the humble, straight forward business man, just didn't want to be the face of the company and understood his brother had the charisma and story telling skills to better serve that role anyway. Roy was the one who insisted the Florida project be named after his late brother.
Walt Disney the public figure was not always the same as Walt Disney the person but he was very aware of how important his image was to the company and strived to maintain it.
Ub Iwerks is possibly the only other individual whose name wouldve been deserving of inclusion in the company name but, if I recall correctly, he didn't join the latest iteration of the company until it had a firm footing and it's likely the foreign nature of his name was seen as problematic. The Bob Thomas book on Walt mentions that there was concerns that inclusion of Ub's last name would make people think they were an optometry business.
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SteamboatJoe
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If you don't mind me asking, what specifically stands out in said pictures?
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Just my opinion here, but about 3 weeks out from opening, everything should be structurally "done" with the remaining time left dedicated to finer details, touch-ups, and testing. This shouldn't be that far-fetched an idea after all, we're only getting about half of the actual Pier back. Basically just the Incredicoaster, Pal-A-Wheel, and some shops. Everything else is still at least another year out.
Disney Irish
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Wasn't that already know though? My understanding was that it wasn't going to be all done by opening, but the major stuff was.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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My statement was in reference to all that was supposed to be done by opening, not the whole pier. With about 3 weeks left, everything that is scheduled to be "done" should be done with the remaining time set aside for touch-ups, repairs, etc.
Disney Irish
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I'm just saying, people who worked with Walt said he didn't want a statue of himself in the park. He wouldn't have liked the statue in the hub, either. It certainly seems to conflict with the fact that Walt loved to put his name on everything and name his park after himself, but there you go.
Many people do, in fact, find Lincoln's show and the Hall of Presidents morbid and creepy. The Lincoln, AA, though, is significant as the world's coolest tech demo: the first of its kind. In the 60's and 70's, Carousel of Progress was the go-to for comedians making fun of Disneyland. Those AA's were/are extremely creepy, but there was a lot of fun in that. More caricatured figures, like the Davis/Hench designs for the pirates, avoid the creepiness by embracing the "animated character" part of their makeup.
It's a matter of taste, but I think the closer you get to the lifetime of the person you're trying to "resurrect", the more tasteless it seems. Can you imagine Apple putting an AA of Steve Jobs in their corporate lobby? Maybe it's because I grew up watching Walt on TV, then mourned his death (I remember where I was when I heard), that the concept seems more cynical and crass to me. I mentioned Futurama before, and that's exactly the kind of ridicule the public would give a Walt AA. You'd have jokes about people wanting to commission AA's of their dead grandparents and pets.
Too soon. Still. Too connected to a massive corporation to be seen as a sincere tribute. Those are my thoughts on it.
Just know that for me again its more technological curiosity to see if it could be done, not an actual want.
I do understand your points. However the family signed off on this in Madam Tussauds in Orlando in 2015. And what is an AA but a wax figure with movement. So anything regarding his wants flew out the window long ago.
And yes I can imagine Apple putting an AA of Steve Jobs in the lobby. But knowing Apple they'd want something more tech looking like a hologram projection.
Californian Elitist
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No Walt animatronics, please.
Disney Irish
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Construction projects go all the way up until the final day unless you have something specific requiring inspection prior to occupency. But most of the remaining stuff doesn't need inspection or has been inspected along the way. The boardwalk games also aren't that complicated of buildings, so I don't know why you think they can't be done in 3 weeks.
Unless I'm missing something, what else were you expecting to be done that you feel isn't going to be done?
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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All I'm trying to say is that I view that as a bad practice.
Disney Irish
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That I get, and agree. But a lot can be done in construction in 3 weeks. So lets see, they may surprise you.