News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

[Disney Irish]

This is a flawed outlook. The western is a greater theme that encompasses Davy Crockett, Zorro, as well as original ideas. It capitalizes on the success of those properties while not handcuffing itself to them. It's why a science-fi fantasy land would work better for Star Wars than a Star Wars land or why a superhero land would work better than a Marvel land. It allows for the freedom to expand beyond just the singular franchise while, at the same time, capitalizing on their success.

Just a point of correction:

Star Wars is a franchise.
Marvel is a brand/company owned by Disney that produces comic based entertainment. Avengers, Spider-Man, Guardians, etc are franchises within the Marvel brand.

So while SW:GE will be a land to just one singular franchise, Marvel Land (or whatever they call it) will be a land that is comprised of many franchises in different parks.

 

[TROR]

Just a point of correction:

Star Wars is a franchise.
Marvel is a brand/company owned by Disney that produces comic based entertainment. Avengers, Spider-Man, Guardians, etc are franchises within the Marvel brand.

So while SW:GE will be a land to just one singular franchise, Marvel Land (or whatever they call it) will be a land that is comprised of many franchises in different parks.

The MCU is a singular franchise. To say otherwise is to say that Rian Johnson's upcoming SW trilogy is a separate franchise.

 

[SuddenStorm]

The MCU is a singular franchise. To say otherwise is to say that Rian Johnson's upcoming SW trilogy is a separate franchise.

The reason it's called the Marvel Cinematic Universe- and the reason it was revolutionary- is because it integrated multiple Marvel Franchises into one.

Another example is how different studios own the cinematic rights to different Marvel characters. Fox has X Men, Fantastic 4, Deadpool- Sony has Spider Man, Disney has Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc.

These characters don't all belong to the same franchise but they do belong to the Marvel brand.

 

[Disney Irish]

The MCU is a singular franchise. To say otherwise is to say that Rian Johnson's upcoming SW trilogy is a separate franchise.

Incorrect, the MCU is a shared continuity of multiple franchises telling different stories that all interconnect into a single universe to tell an overarching story.

Also as has been stated many times in different threads, any Marvel experience in Disney Parks are not tied directly to the MCU but what some are calling the Marvel Theme Park Universe (MTPU). As such any Marvel Land will not be a singular franchise but rather a whole universe of potentially 1000s of characters that the MTPU can pull from Marvel's library.

 

[TROR]

Incorrect, the MCU is a shared continuity of multiple franchises telling different stories that all interconnect into a single universe to tell an overarching story.

The reason it's called the Marvel Cinematic Universe- and the reason it was revolutionary- is because it integrated multiple Marvel Franchises into one.

Another example is how different studios own the cinematic rights to different Marvel characters. Fox has X Men, Fantastic 4, Deadpool- Sony has Spider Man, Disney has Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc.

These characters don't all belong to the same franchise but they do belong to the Marvel brand.

You cannot just watch The Avengers and Age of Ultron before Infinity War. It's incredibly reliant on you having watched Guardians of the Galaxy, Civil War, and Thor Ragnarok. There's other movies it makes reference to, but if you haven't seen at least those three you'll be incredibly confused. It's a singular franchise that builds off each film.

Also as has been stated many times in different threads, any Marvel experience in Disney Parks are not tied directly to the MCU but what some are calling the Marvel Theme Park Universe (MTPU). As such any Marvel Land will not be a singular franchise but rather a whole universe of potentially 1000s of characters that the MTPU can pull from Marvel's library.

PR nonsense. They'll never build an attraction that is not directly based off a character from the MCU.

 

[NobodyElse]

Lol I didn’t take you for a Foo Fighters fan. I was thinking more like Mozart and Beethoven.

Nothing wrong with all of the above.

 

[mickEblu]

Nothing wrong with all of the above.

True that

 

[Disney Irish]

You cannot just watch The Avengers and Age of Ultron before Infinity War. It's incredibly reliant on you having watched Guardians of the Galaxy, Civil War, and Thor Ragnarok. There's other movies it makes reference to, but if you haven't seen at least those three you'll be incredibly confused. It's a singular franchise that builds off each film.

I'm sorry but you are just incorrect.

Sure they make references to each others, that's what makes it a shared continuity, but each franchise within the MCU is not reliant on the others. For example Guardians is not reliant on Black Panther or Avengers or Thor or Spider-Man movies. Thor while part of the Avengers, his standalone stories don't rely on knowing Avengers. Sure it helps to understand some of the backstories by watching them all, and that is what all the references are about. But you can come into any of the standalone stories and still understand what is happening with that individual story.

PR nonsense. They'll never build an attraction that is not directly based off a character from the MCU.

We don't know that yet. Nothing has been built, and no details are really known yet. But yes the MCU will be a large basis of where content is driven from, but the stories will have nothing to do with what happens in the MCU as its a different universe.

 

[TROR]

I'm sorry but you are just incorrect.

Sure they make references to each others, that's what makes it a shared continuity, but each franchise within the MCU is not reliant on the others. For example Guardians is not reliant on Black Panther or Avengers or Thor or Spider-Man movies. Thor while part of the Avengers, his standalone stories don't rely on knowing Avengers. Sure it helps to understand some of the backstories by watching them all, and that is what all the references are about. But you can come into any of the standalone stories and still understand what is happening with that individual story.

Infinity War is completely reliant on what's come before. If you've only seen the other two Avengers movies, you would be incredibly confused by everything going on. Civil War also requires knowledge of the first two Avengers movies. Arguably so do Ant-Man and Doctor Strange. Spider-Man Homecoming absolute expects you to have seen Civil War. You'll disagree, as you naturally do, but I have no intention to listen because this isn't a matter of debate.

We don't know that yet. Nothing has been built, and no details are really known yet. But yes the MCU will be a large basis of where content is driven from, but the stories will have nothing to do with what happens in the MCU as its a different universe.

We do know this. Disney would never build something that wasn't based on an established property. They know a ride based on Guardians of the Galaxy without Chris Pratt would never be as successful as one with him.

 

[Disney Irish]

Infinity War is completely reliant on what's come before. If you've only seen the other two Avengers movies, you would be incredibly confused by everything going on. Civil War also requires knowledge of the first two Avengers movies. Arguably so do Ant-Man and Doctor Strange. Spider-Man Homecoming absolute expects you to have seen Civil War. You'll disagree, as you naturally do, but I have no intention to listen because this isn't a matter of debate.

I can see why you have your opinion. Especially since you have grown weary of the MCU and feel it can't continue. And want to prove a point about its effects on the parks.

The issue is the term franchise gets thrown around too much in Hollywood these days. If its not part of a larger franchise its not a success, etc. However Marvel and other comic based entertainment companies, like DC, have been building shared universes for a long time. Those shared universes have stories that yes all tie and build into each others stories but still stand on their own. But you wouldn't call all of Marvel comics a franchise, even though all the stories tie into a larger universe. The MCU is no different as its an extension of Marvel comics.

However I will make this concession, if you have to call the MCU a franchise, then its a Mega Combined Franchise with lots of Standalone Franchises.

But you have your opinion, and don't want to listen to anyone else.

We do know this. Disney would never build something that wasn't based on an established property. They know a ride based on Guardians of the Galaxy without Chris Pratt would never be as successful as one with him.

Since you can tell the future of everything Disney will do in the next 25-50 years, can you give me the lotto numbers for Power Ball tonight?

 

[VJ]

Disneyland is turning into IP crab

 

[Jones14]

I think at the end of the day, the goal was and is to build attractions and areas that are popular. Walt built a pirates ride in a New Orleans-themed area (which, by the way, was a departure from Disneyland tradition; no area up to that point was meant to evoke a single, specific place), and now Iger is building two spaceship rides in a Star Wars-themed area.

We can go 'round and 'round on whether leveraging IP in the parks is bad (my answer is that it is, but it isn't, based on implementation, what it replaces, and integration with its surroundings), but the fact remains that Disney has always been trying to create synergy between its parks and its media, and they have also been trying to make compelling theme parks. One of those doesn't HAVE to come at the cost of the other, even if it does sometimes.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

We can go 'round and 'round on whether leveraging IP in the parks is bad (my answer is that it is, but it isn't, based on implementation, what it replaces, and integration with its surroundings), but the fact remains that Disney has always been trying to create synergy between its parks and its media, and they have also been trying to make compelling theme parks. One of those doesn't HAVE to come at the cost of the other, even if it does sometimes.

Agreed. The difference today is the sheer size and scope of brands like Star Wars and how, in some cases, they are dominating and redefining the modern Disney theme park experience. Everyone knows and expects synergy to exist between the resorts and Disney’s various businesses units, but what I think the main thing people are reacting to here is the lack of context between these stories and characters and their relative placement (ie: Mission Breakout and Pixar Pier), not to mention how aggressively they are being promoted everywhere all the time.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Pier updates:

https://disneygeek.com/disneyland/pictures/2018/04/27/118

 

[TROR]

Wonder if they'll burn down Pixar Pier to collect insurance money. It'd be thematically appropriate.

 

[DanielBB8]

Infinity War has an end game at Part 2. So I highly doubt DCA’s Superheroes Land will rely on the Avengers storyline. Instead, they will focus on the characters who have their own adventures and can live forever.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

How is the Incredicoaster coming along?

 

[TROR]

How is the Incredicoaster coming along?

They finished building it around 17 years ago. Not sure why it isn't open

 

[Disneylover152]

How is the Incredicoaster coming along?

They were testing it yesterday and the ride looks done as scaffolding is coming down, but it looks as if the Queue is nowhere near to completion.

They are in the process of building the wall on one side of the carousel.

Also, the new buildings by Silly Symphony are covered in wood and are starting more in depth work.

The Fun Wheel is getting painted.

Scaffolding is down at Toy Story.

The carousel structure is still there. But elements like the horses and some decorations are gone.

Overall the land is moving along.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

They were testing it yesterday and the ride looks done as scaffolding is coming down, but it looks as if the Queue is nowhere near to completion.

They are in the process of building the wall on one side of the carousel.

Also, the new buildings by Silly Symphony are covered in wood and are starting more in depth work.

The Fun Wheel is getting painted.

Scaffolding is down at Toy Story.

The carousel structure is still there. But elements like the horses and some decorations are gone.

Overall the land is moving along.

Thank you for the update!
I sure hope they've repainted the coaster and not just the scream tubes! It looked horribly weathered and uncared for last time I saw it.