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O'Sentinel - NextGen - 1/17/10
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raven
Well-Known Member
But that doesn't seem to stop the crowds. It just doesn't matter for some attractions and we need to accept that.
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I would argue that Mission: Space and Test Track have better stories than Pirates of the Caribbean. I think the mantra that all Disney rides have to have a Splash Mountain level story is overstated. Many are experiences instead of stories, and while there may be a story behind the attraction - the experience supercedes it.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Oh, I agree in full. Very industrial. No story. At least M:S has a very coherent story.
TT is fun, though. I did enjoy my spin on it. Still miss WoM, though.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Yep. Long day at 'the office' you might say. And I love to come here for some fun and pixe dust hot fanboi loving!
Where? Well, other Disney forums I posted to back in those days. More importantly, to friends, colleagues and execs at TWDC while the park was in development.
I define disaster as a park in an amazing location with plenty of folks with money and knowledge of the Disney BRAND never reaching its modest attendance goals and bleeding money at an astounding pace. Read the financial news on 2009 at HKDL.
I also define disaster creatively as in making the world's first McDisneyland (I used to call it DL Lite to be fair). A park that had 60% of its substance stripped from the announcement (and I have the original press kit and subsequent releases) before opening.
They took out Frontierland (which would have had three major attractions, two E-Ticket caliber) while calling City Hall an attraction. They took out Toontown (which while not DL's version was closer than MK's) and called the Liki Tikis an attraction. They cut out a unique E-Ticket hyrbrid of DAK's CTX attraction mixed with RnRC from A-Land and called the rafts to Tarzan's Treehouse and the Treehouse itself seperate attractions.
Yeah, I knew it was going to be a disaster. And I almost had a chance at being on the opening team for it (and no, yet again, I have never been an employee of TWDC).
Anyone who knew anything about Disney parks and about what Disney was pulling in HK, knew it was going to be a disaster.
I always try and use facts and analysis and DECADES OF EXPERIENCE with TWDC's parks and major media/entertainment when making predictions. I'm damn good at calling the race before the horsies line up at the starting gate.
They shouldn't be. Anyone who disagrees with my views should be shot!
Everyone here is a fanboi (myself included). No one posts on a Disney fan site without being seriously into Da Mouse.
And I never mix opinions with facts. Others here do so routinely.
Oh, you care about my opinions. If you didn't you wouldn't have responded. And I care, believe it or not, about yours. ... I just won't hold back my opinions and wait to see how things play out.
BTW, I think that type of 'tude got this country in one heap of a mess the last decade!
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by WDW1974
Why are attractions like TT and MS so COLD? Because there is no story ... it's all tech.
You need STORY because that's what sets Disney apart. You might as well simply drop rolley coasters around. Guest counts mean little to me in the context of this discussion. By Disney's internal metrics, TT is a huge success and MS is largely a failure.
I don't like TT at all. Most overrated attraction in WDW's history. And while I think MS is very kewl, I also think the money would have been better spent with a real space pavilion with numerous attractions/shows/rides/dining/exhibits etc.
The point is both TT and MS replaced immersive pavilions with storylines.
I get that guests will accept less from Disney today. The past decade is a posterchild for Walmarting da World.
But if you don't believe story is important to Disney then I'd advise you to read up on your company's amazing creative legacy instead of telling me guests like to ride TT.
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Originally Posted by KevinYee
Well, what if there's an option to turn off all the creepy orwell tracking? I'd opt to turn it off, I'm sure... at least most of the time.
Really? So you are saying that RFID tech will be optional? That Disney will have rooms set aside without RFID controlling the door locks? That Disney will have one set of turnstyles for the chips and one without? That Disney will have interactive experiences (hey, did Tink just beckon me to follow her to Pixie Hollow -- AKA CM CP housing:ROFLOL:-- by name?) for just some guests?
Sorry, but your info contradicts everything I've heard and just plain common sense. The infrastructure costs are amazing ... Disney isn't designing this tech, so guests can opt out of it and do things like it was 1999 or 2009.
Originally Posted by WDW1974
Why are attractions like TT and MS so COLD? Because there is no story ... it's all tech.
You need STORY because that's what sets Disney apart. You might as well simply drop rolley coasters around. Guest counts mean little to me in the context of this discussion. By Disney's internal metrics, TT is a huge success and MS is largely a failure.
I don't like TT at all. Most overrated attraction in WDW's history. And while I think MS is very kewl, I also think the money would have been better spent with a real space pavilion with numerous attractions/shows/rides/dining/exhibits etc.
The point is both TT and MS replaced immersive pavilions with storylines.
I get that guests will accept less from Disney today. The past decade is a posterchild for Walmarting da World.
But if you don't believe story is important to Disney then I'd advise you to read up on your company's amazing creative legacy instead of telling me guests like to ride TT.
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Originally Posted by KevinYee
Well, what if there's an option to turn off all the creepy orwell tracking? I'd opt to turn it off, I'm sure... at least most of the time.
Really? So you are saying that RFID tech will be optional? That Disney will have rooms set aside without RFID controlling the door locks? That Disney will have one set of turnstyles for the chips and one without? That Disney will have interactive experiences (hey, did Tink just beckon me to follow her to Pixie Hollow -- AKA CM CP housing
:ROFLOL:-- by name?) for just some guests?Sorry, but your info contradicts everything I've heard and just plain common sense. The infrastructure costs are amazing ... Disney isn't designing this tech, so guests can opt out of it and do things like it was 1999 or 2009.
Giraffe Lounge
Member
Shouldn't Joe Garlington, head of Creative Interactive Attractions, be in there somewhere?
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Good question.
You'd think so. Unless he's no longer at WDI ... I'm just running off a chart that provided to me. Possible he was just left out, although it's weird because Bruce is on there ... but Joe would report to him anyway.
You have any info?
Giraffe Lounge
Member
I can confirm that the RnRC queue test they ran a couple weeks ago is connected to this, but that's all I can say at the moment.
I'm not yet sure on this project (especially with the other potential uses of that large a figure)... but it does indeed go much further than rides knowing your name.
Giraffe Lounge
Member
Joe's definitely still there... I wonder if Kevin Rice has/is surpassing him.
KevinYee
Well-Known Member
As to Disney not giving an option to turn off the interactivity, my gut says '74 is right that they probably wouldn't invest this much only to make it optional. But that doesn't mean the customer can't take matters into his own hands. Simple aluminum foil will block RFID signals, so personally I'll just find a way to shield the annual pass (that's where mine will be) until I "need" it, or want Disney to know where I'm at.
raven
Well-Known Member
As always, your posts are all about you and your need to let everyone know that you know every detail about the company. In the end it's Riders-per-hour that matter.
That's exactly what I'm saying. In order for the RFID program to work like they are planning each guest would have to fill out questionares on a computer. Do you think someone that's in the Orlando area for a conference that happens to drop into WDW for a day is going to know that? No. There will always be an option to opt out.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Interesting issue on M:S's story... I'm honestly fine with it. The queue is perfect for the setting, and so is the ride itself. It flows nicely. Is it a little weak? Sure. Did it replace a better story? A thousand times over. Should there be more in MS? Yep.
But, as it stands, MS is a very good addition to a modern EPCOT in my eyes. It exceeded my expectations.
But, as it stands, MS is a very good addition to a modern EPCOT in my eyes. It exceeded my expectations.
Yep. Long day at 'the office' you might say. And I love to come here for some fun and pixe dust hot fanboi loving!
Where? Well, other Disney forums I posted to back in those days. More importantly, to friends, colleagues and execs at TWDC while the park was in development.
I define disaster as a park in an amazing location with plenty of folks with money and knowledge of the Disney BRAND never reaching its modest attendance goals and bleeding money at an astounding pace. Read the financial news on 2009 at HKDL.
I also define disaster creatively as in making the world's first McDisneyland (I used to call it DL Lite to be fair). A park that had 60% of its substance stripped from the announcement (and I have the original press kit and subsequent releases) before opening.
They took out Frontierland (which would have had three major attractions, two E-Ticket caliber) while calling City Hall an attraction. They took out Toontown (which while not DL's version was closer than MK's) and called the Liki Tikis an attraction. They cut out a unique E-Ticket hyrbrid of DAK's CTX attraction mixed with RnRC from A-Land and called the rafts to Tarzan's Treehouse and the Treehouse itself seperate attractions.
Yeah, I knew it was going to be a disaster. And I almost had a chance at being on the opening team for it (and no, yet again, I have never been an employee of TWDC).
Anyone who knew anything about Disney parks and about what Disney was pulling in HK, knew it was going to be a disaster.
I always try and use facts and analysis and DECADES OF EXPERIENCE with TWDC's parks and major media/entertainment when making predictions. I'm damn good at calling the race before the horsies line up at the starting gate.
They shouldn't be. Anyone who disagrees with my views should be shot!
Everyone here is a fanboi (myself included). No one posts on a Disney fan site without being seriously into Da Mouse.
And I never mix opinions with facts. Others here do so routinely.
Oh, you care about my opinions. If you didn't you wouldn't have responded. And I care, believe it or not, about yours. ... I just won't hold back my opinions and wait to see how things play out.
BTW, I think that type of 'tude got this country in one heap of a mess the last decade!
Truly, straight out of MacBeth: full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
I rode it a month ago, today! :lol: Orange too. I had previously only seen the queue and the chicken exit.:lookaroun:lol: (Claustrophobia. Those things are too damn tight.) I agree, though...It is a solid attraction. Shame it's not more than that.
I completely understand. I actually got pulled onto the Orange ride by my daughter, so it wasn't like a 6"3' guy could turn a 10 year-old down because the ride got a little close for comfort.....
MousDad
New Member
I had no idea!! You go, dog! I'm surprised you haven't been bragging more shamelessly. Any other feats of bravery and manliness I'm not aware of?
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
:lol: Exactly. I'm your hight, so yeah, it's VERY tight in there.I completely understand. I actually got pulled onto the Orange ride by my daughter, so it wasn't like a 6"3' guy could turn a 10 year-old down because the ride got a little close for comfort.....
:ROFLOL:
I went on SGE?:shrug::lookaroun
The next feat will be in June...E:E time.