peter11435
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Yes, the original entrance was a disaster that has needed fixed for decades. This is not that.
Not really sure what stops on the buses has to do with this.
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Osceola Interchange/Road Permits
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Not really sure what stops on the buses has to do with this.
I think they think that people really love U-turns, though!
peter11435
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I think they think the u turns would largely only affect guests attempting to return to the resorts on victory way. They likely assume (correctly or otherwise) that those guests will likely not be driving but will mostly rely on WDW transportation.
Lensman
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This.
Plus I think there's an element of them dumping exiting cars onto Osceola Parkway because it's the only roadway that will be able to handle the volume of traffic at closing. I'd guess they *don't want* cars exiting onto Victory Way.
Edited to add: One way of thinking about this is to think about the exit signage. Disney will want to have the exit signs designate destinations rather than streets. For example:
1. I-4 (Osceola eastbound)
2. Disney Springs (Osceola westbound?)
3. All Disney Resorts (Osceola westbound) [At first I started listing each one but soon realized that Osceola westbound is the answer for all of them)
4. All other Disney Parks (Osceola westbound)
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peter11435
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Exactly. When it comes time for closing you want traffic dumping onto a large road capable of soaking up that traffic without backing up. You also don’t want too many choices coming out because this slows things down and creates unsafe situations.
mm121
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it is a bit curious, but they also dont want to end up creating situations that would cause backups onto this new ramp system expecially at park exit time when there is the mad rush and if there would end up being a short ramp close to a stop light it would easily back up.
the way things are being built there are no closeby stoplights to cause backups
this would be a TERRIBLE idea, there isnt nearly enough room for cars to queue there for a stoplight and cars would then end up backing up onto the exit right on the curve where people might not see them and then cause rear end collissions
this green entrance would have been ok, but guess they figure there just isnt enough traffic to justify it
dont think this was ever an "official" drawing. more a fan concept drawing, as this drawing also shows the many connections going UNDER the major roadways instead of OVER as they are being built.
no exits onto victory only osceola.
mm121
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the biggest problem with the original plan was dumping all the exit traffic onto BVD via a STOPLIGHT!!!
not sure why this doesn't count a proper fix. this directs all the exit traffic out onto freeway style roadways instead of city streets
and rearranges entrance traffic mostly to oceola for traffic coming down i-4 then entering from the east getting most of this traffic off of world drive that occassionally has backups
I drew it, based on official documents.
peter11435
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Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant this project was not the disaster the original entrance/exit was and still is. The project is the fix the park needed.
Goofyernmost
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OMG, does that mean that if you want to go from ESPN to DHS you have to go home first and then come back and enter the resort from a different direction?
homerdance
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Well, a proper entrance/exit (like EPCOT) for buses diminishes the need for stop lights. It would also require a non dedicated bus entrance that will still make jerky jerky stops all along the way back to the hotel.
I know this discussion started earlier above regarding whether or not the Buena Vista Dr entrance/exit would go bus only or would remain for guest cars too. Obviously not having an exit onto Victory Way could be mitigated if an exit onto Buena Vista Dr would remain. I was looking at some @bioreconstruct aerials from the last two months and noted that some of the work may be evidence that at least an exit to Buena Vista Dr would remain. First image is under construction and the second more complete.
Blue box= Area of possible exit with curbing placed; yellow circles = curb drains placed (this is evidence of permanent infrastructure, running drainage and curb drains isn't a temporary kind of fix); red circles=areas with no curbing yet, probably eventually reconfigured
Did a quick and obviously dirty drawing of a possible final configuration of the area. No insider info, but just a compilation of what is being built and what has been suggested. I see no guest entry here, but only guest exit. If anyone has info that can edit to improve, much appreciated. Just trying to imagine it all.
Blue box= Area of possible exit with curbing placed; yellow circles = curb drains placed (this is evidence of permanent infrastructure, running drainage and curb drains isn't a temporary kind of fix); red circles=areas with no curbing yet, probably eventually reconfigured
Did a quick and obviously dirty drawing of a possible final configuration of the area. No insider info, but just a compilation of what is being built and what has been suggested. I see no guest entry here, but only guest exit. If anyone has info that can edit to improve, much appreciated. Just trying to imagine it all.
mm121
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doesn't seem un reasonable that they'd keep an exit here, thought might be recommended to close it during mass park exidus at closing time so the bus lanes dont get completely clogged up
Magic Feather
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If that exit remained (still an if, as I know that entrance is planned to become bus only), it would only be for use by that side of the parking lot. (Music, Stage, Handicap, Preferred)
halltd
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They have converted the current "curvy exit" in the blue circle or square to be a forced right turn onto BVD recently (with the big plastic poles separating the lanes). It actually keeps traffic flowing MUCH better. It wouldn't surprise me that IF this exit stayed as an option, that it was a forced right turn only.
In looking at the Osceola interchange photos, it doesn't look like you can exit DHS that way and turn North onto Victory Drive. So, maybe the BVD exit is the way to get to BVD?
In looking at the Osceola interchange photos, it doesn't look like you can exit DHS that way and turn North onto Victory Drive. So, maybe the BVD exit is the way to get to BVD?
maxairmike
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My understanding has always been that there would be an exit onto BVD, the only question was how limited would it be. It certainly looks like that side of the lot will be exiting to BVD along with the buses.
Thanks as always for your insight. I am still iffy about the final layout too, but just trying to decipher what they built. The huge curb cut between the entrance and exit roads there and the shapes just don't all quite make sense. Maybe an emergency access sort of road? Will be fun to see the entire remodel done and realized.
We shall see. I am totally just trying to read the tea leaves and what they are building. While I agree with you funneling the majority of the traffic to Osceola Parkway makes sense, it also poses issues for resorts such as Pop and Caribbean Beach as it would be inconvenient, inefficient, and add to traffic to have guests circling around World Dr or worse use I-4. Although with the Skyliner, this may be immaterial and maybe this explains while the exits onto Victory Way were dropped from the original plans.
Thanks for that update! I have been waiting to see updated aerials. I saw that they had a merge to one lane and was wondering why.
As was said, there was originally but this was also when the Osceola interchange allowed exit onto north Victory, so the BVD exit was busses only. Now who knows.