OS: Confederate Flag Removed from Epcot

[Tigger1988]

"is still being used as a symbol of white supremacy" ... by one ignorant moron who was so isolated and frustrated with the lack of a white supremacy movement in the country (particularly his local area of the, supposedly, evil and racist south) that he actually wrote in his manifesto that he was so frustrated that there was nobody in the country (and, after he couldn't find any local white supremacists, he tried to locate like-minded individuals over the internet) that he had to go and kill people by himself to make a statement.

Again, his biggest frustration was that he couldn't find anyone that agreed with him ... and he said so in his missive to the public. You're tilting at windmills.

It's cute that you think it's just one kid. Very Fox News of you, literally, Bill O'Reilly tried to call white supremacy a myth and stated that calling Roof one was "outlandish." He didn't have a word to say once the manifesto came out.

And if you read it, he couldn't find anyone who would ACT on it. He says no one is "doing anything but talking on the internet" There's plenty of people who agreed with him. He couldn't find anyone who would go out and do the deed.

 

[TyrantBoss]

The Civil War was indeed about Slavery.

Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens, in what was referred to as the Cornerstone Speech (March 21st, 1861) said : The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

He went on to say in the very same speech that: Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

The State of Texas, at it's own secession convention in February 1861 said: We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

Clearly I know my history.

You can cut and paste anything...and clearly you don't know your history. Succession was not initially about slavery.
But go ahead and find more cut-and-paste to back up your interest in censoring American history.

The more you try to censor...the more you support rewriting history...the more you reveal who you really are.

 

[Tigger1988]

Obviously it has not been put to bed if people are still responding passionately.

And I chose not to read 22 pages in hopes that I don't repeat something. Just because ONE person says something that is not the ONLY time it can be said.

But I guess you would rather I be censored as is the history of this country.

It's been said a dozen times, all of it has and you'd know that if you read the thread.. The rest of us shouldn't have to rehash things because you're too lazy to read the whole thread before commenting.

 

[bethymouse]

Boycott Animal Kingdom!!!

Yes. Why isn't anyone doing this? They sure are making a big deal out of boycotting Sea World.

 

[G00fyDad]

I love to see the Champions of Right and Justice now that the media has told them that this should be taken down. They act like this is such an injustice and cannot be tolerated a moment longer. Really?? You care about it THAT much? Then why were you not fighting for it a year ago? Or even three months ago? Because it was not a "cause worth fighting for" and the bandwagon hadn't gotten up to full steam yet.

Can we please find something better to focus our attention and ire on? Maybe children going hungry in this country? ANYTHING is a better focus of our energy than a flag no one cared much about until CNN told them to care.

 

[Tigger1988]

I love to see the Champions of Right and Justice now that the media has told them that this should be taken down. They act like this is such an injustice and cannot be tolerated a moment longer. Really?? You care about it THAT much? Then why were you not fighting for it a year ago? Or even three months ago? Because it was not a "cause worth fighting for" and the bandwagon hadn't gotten up to full steam yet.

Can we please find something better to focus our attention and ire on? Maybe children going hungry in this country? ANYTHING is a better focus of our energy than a flag no one cared much about until CNN told them to care.

People have been trying to get the flag removed (not from WDW) for decades. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't a concern for people.

 

[TyrantBoss]

Please stop before this entire forum recognizes how idiotic you are. If you don't think that the confederate flag is associated with slavery and bigotry, then you are either blind or kidding yourself or just plain dumb. Or perhaps all of the above.

You are clearly too obtuse to even understand my point or the history of the Confederate Flag.
Just because you try to play the "ignorance" card...let me let you in on a little fact......it doesn't make you seem any smarter.
You clearly do not understand history. You get your marching orders from the revisionist history perpetrated by those who find it easier to do so than to try to resolve the issue through actual education.

And you will never get it....because you are their target audience.

 

[TalkingHead]

That joke was made 12 pages ago.

You actually read all of this stuff? Props.

 

[PhotoDave219]

You can cut and paste anything...and clearly you don't know your history. Succession was not initially about slavery.
But go ahead and find more cut-and-paste to back up your interest in censoring American history.

The more you try to censor...the more you support rewriting history...the more you reveal who you really are.

I'm quoting the Vice President of the Confederacy. I'm quoting the actual succession documents. Thats not censoring history, thats showing it how it actually was.

If anyone here is delusional is that you can't see the the overwhelming truths that the Civil War was about Slavery and the Battle Flag of the Army of the Potomac has been co-op'd by hate groups for their own agendas.

 

[TyrantBoss]

It's been said a dozen times, all of it has and you'd know that if you read the thread.. The rest of us shouldn't have to rehash things because you're too lazy to read the whole thread before commenting.

If you don't like it......don't read it. Very simple.

 

[G00fyDad]

People have been trying to get the flag removed (not from WDW) for decades. Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it wasn't a concern for people.

I guess you cannot focus on anything else. Sad.

 

[PhotoDave219]

You actually read all of this stuff? Props.

Its been a slow day....

 

[Tigger1988]

I guess you cannot focus on anything else. Sad.

Actually, it seems like you can't...

Since you seem to believe that people can't be concerned with more than one issue at a time. Sad.

 

[bethymouse]

There's a movement to end reenactments and to ban Gone With The Wind. There has even been a push to move the flag to the basements of museums and out of sight.
http://www.thewrap.com/film-critic-calls-for-banishment-of-gone-with-the-wind-over-insidious-racism/

I heard this. Very sad.

 

[Phil12]

You don't know history. The Civil War was not about slavery. The Civil War was about succession from the United States based on economics. Lincoln used slavery as a rallying cry because he needed more support from the Union citizens. "Up until September 1862, the main focus of the war had been to preserve the Union. With the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation freedom for slaves now became a legitimate war aim."

The south had slaves and used them to help them fight the war. They were an asset so Lincoln introduced slavery as a cause in the war as a strategy. The Civil War was NEVER originally about slavery. It was about Economic freedoms of the southern states.

And the Confederate Flag was simply a battle flag for the southern succession from the Union. It was NEVER a flag of slavery

Learn your history before you sound more ignorant than you already do.

Actually, you don't know history and you are wrong in your assertions. Here's just one example of the Mississippi secession document. The other states have similar documents:

Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

 

[G00fyDad]

Actually, it seems like you can't...

Since you seem to believe that people can't be concerned with more than one issue at a time. Sad.

Sad.

 

[Tigger1988]

Sad.

Trolling

 

[AdventureHasAName]

It's cute that you think it's just one kid.

... and accurate.

Very Fox News of you, literally, Bill O'Reilly tried to call white supremacy a myth and stated that calling Roof one was "outlandish." He didn't have a word to say once the manifesto came out.

It is a myth. You're talking about a group (maybe) a couple thousand people strong in a country of 300 million. And the government has them so closely monitored that they can't wipe their nose without getting arrested (as they should be) and seeing the inside of a prison. I can't speak to Bill O'Reilly as I don't watch his program.

 

[JusticeDisney]

You are clearly too obtuse to even understand my point or the history of the Confederate Flag.
Just because you try to play the "ignorance" card...let me let you in on a little fact......it doesn't make you seem any smarter.
You clearly do not understand history. You get your marching orders from the revisionist history perpetrated by those who find it easier to do so than to try to resolve the issue through actual education.

And you will never get it....because you are their target audience.

Right. You know history, but anyone who disagrees with your position does not. Gotcha, pal. LMAO at your ignorance AND arrogance. The confederate flag is associated with slavery and bigotry. That is a fact. And it is now being removed from EVERYWHERE. Deal with it, son.

 

[TyrantBoss]

I'm quoting the Vice President of the Confederacy. I'm quoting the actual succession documents. Thats not censoring history, thats showing it how it actually was.

If anyone here is delusional is that you can't see the the overwhelming truths that the Civil War was about Slavery and the Battle Flag of the Army of the Potomac has been co-op'd by hate groups for their own agendas.

You still are avoiding the initial cause. The Union didn't make the war about slavery until Lincoln introduced the Emancipation Proclamation. Succession was not originally about slavery. It was about economics....but the politicians inserted slavery to stir up more support for their cause.
And the Confederate Flag was Not even the first flag of Succession.

Maybe this will make it easy enough for you to understand.