Orlando Gunman Scouted WDW ...

[Jason Lives]

Disney security actually got in touch with the FBI regarding Marteen's presence. I think that pretty much takes it off of the "just visiting" list.

 

[SorcererMC]

You know, when I was Italy, they place Military outside of every major tourist attraction, train station, etc. with assault rifles ready in case anything went down. It seriously would not bother me if we did the same in the US with the way things are going.

More information on the armed guard posted outside Pulse nightclub

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/06/14/marine-vets-quick-actions-saved-dozens-lives-during-orlando-nightclub-shooting/85860320/

Important to note from this article that most people do freeze in this type of emergency situation b/c of the immediate confusion/chaos and don't know how to respond; typically requires adequate preparation/training to respond quickly....and knowing what to do in an emergency is one of the things that people can do to protect themselves and assuage safety concerns, ie practical steps that can be taken to try to keep you and your family safe.

I'm grateful this man was in the right place at the right time. People have said that Disney has a somewhat covert presence of armed guards, and I'm fairly confident that there will be a more overt presence moving forward.

 

[SorcererMC]

It will certainly change security arrangements, but I don't think it would signal the end of WDW as we know it. There would be an attendance dip, and probably a lot less international guests for a while, but people would come back to show solidarity and prove the terrorists wrong, as they always do in these events.

I think there are rough times ahead for Disney attendance and for the Orlando tourist economy. I don't think 'WDW as a rite of passage' will go away, and that people will cope and show resilience.

 

[rob0519]

The reason that there will continue to be statements implying uncertainty is b/c there is no 100% certainty, there is 'allegedly'. Within the context of an ongoing investigation and of terrorism, an investigator can only assign a probable value to what is known from the observable evidence, whether that is what is found on the shooter's computer, statements made by people who knew him or other eyewitness accounts, and his behavior on video/security camera surveillance. It is why the FBI says that they are 'highly confident' that he was radicalized.

That was the point I was trying to make. Many people here don't seem to understand what can be said during an investigation and how it needs to be said. Until there is absolute "proof" attached to any piece of evidence it words like believe, highly confident, allegedly, will continue to be used.

 

[SorcererMC]

That was the point I was trying to make. Many people here don't seem to understand what can be said during an investigation and how it needs to be said. Until there is absolute "proof" attached to any piece of evidence it words like believe, highly confident, allegedly, will continue to be used.

Yes - I wanted to articulate it b/c there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about terrorism (general)....in order to find solutions, it has to be understood (Every case is unique but trends / patterns / profiles do emerge). There's a real disconnect between what the public understands about it and why officials use the language that they do, so there is a lot of unfounded criticism. (Legitimate criticism, too, but that's not what I'm talking about).

4pm: Editing to Add NY Times article about FBI Inquiry Process:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/noor-zahi-salman-omar-mateen.html

 

[SorcererMC]

I'm a new poster here, too. I think these boards are just as tough on new members as regulars, old-timers, insiders, what have you. You've made your own conclusions, and not being familiar with your posts, I couldn't say, but I respectfully suggest that your communication style or tone of your posts is maybe not being received well, if that is how you feel. Again, it is a very sensitive time.

 

[sublimesting]

The fact that more hasn't happened astounds me actually. We either have excellent security and investigation in this country or terrorists don't have quite the reach we thought they did. If you stop to consider all the various attacks that could happen it is incredible.

 

[SorcererMC]

The fact that more hasn't happened astounds me actually. We either have excellent security and investigation in this country or terrorists don't have quite the reach we thought they did. If you stop to consider all the various attacks that could happen it is incredible.

I think both/it's not mutually exclusive. But so many aspects of this Orlando case, this shooter - a US citizen - getting cleared background checks, making legal purchases of weapons without law enforcement being required to be notified, probably knowing how to evade those checks....this is what keeps people who work in law enforcement (or other security-related areas) up at night....knowing that you've done your job and everything you possibly can but that, it still might not be enough. Avg person might not have to think about it every day, but there are professionals who do and are actively working against it.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Again, you just cannot reason with stupid.

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To be fair I have tried.

 

[BrerJon]

Cambodia, Guatemala, China, Russia, Germany, Uganda, the Armenians. Nothing to see there, folks. A disarmed citizenry is completely safe.

All of those countries except Guatemala have lower gun death rates than the USA.

 

[BrerJon]

Yet ironically they still suffered a mass casualty attack. And still have hunting weaponry.

Yes, one in a decade, not one a week.

 

[EOD K9]

If it helps, you guys can use me as an unnamed Federal Source. Just don't use my name, likeness, or anything I've said.

 

[Quinnmac000]

Stop defending/opposing gun control and focus what the main topic of the trend. Gunman scouted WDW. Its an never ending argument over who is right with neither side conceding.

 

[bhg469]

Japan...Australia...blah blah blah. The difference was at the time where they took the weapons from the citizen they were communists/facists states. Democratic states where they take armed weapons tend to have a lot less harm when taking away weapons due to the fact people choose their leadership rather than being forced.

Stop defending/opposing gun control and focus what the main topic of the trend. Gunman scouted WDW. Its an never ending argument over who is right with neither side conceding.

A murderer targeted innocent people. If he didn't have a gun he would have a bomb or a car or a knife.

 

[The Mom]

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of websites out there where people can argue pro/anti gun control. This isn't one of them. Let's get back to WDW, please.

 

[BiffyClyro]

Guys, saying look at this as a positive isn't exactly the right way of putting it, but you know what I mean when I say this...

....They found out he was planning an attack at WDW which means extra vigilence, security and measures in place to ensure nothing like this happens. This will hopefully make WDW up their game security wise to ensure our safety. You're probably safer right now than you have evr been at the park.

Please don't let this horrible tragedy ruin your memories. That's what they want. Stay string guys.

 

[SorcererMC]

FBI Shooter Had No Other Targets
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/.../?hootPostID=46da5d26ab5bdf4fb4c5366063cb8ae6
Excerpt from article re: Disney

(FBI Lead Investigator Hopper)
While federal authorities have been reviewing whether the 29-year-old security guard had considered other locations in the area, including Disney World, Ron Hopper, who is managing the broad federal inquiry, said there was no evidence to indicate other possible targets.

 

[SorcererMC]

But my problem is that all of the news agencies are now making it out like he was definitely targeting Disney or at least implying it.

Now that the FBI is saying definitively that he was NOT targeting any other sites, including WDW....and I have only seen this reported on USA Today w/ no headline about Disney specifically - my inner cynic agrees with you.

 

[bhg469]

Now that the FBI is saying definitively that he was NOT targeting any other sites, including WDW....and I have only seen this reported on USA Today w/ no headline about Disney specifically - my inner cynic agrees with you.

A copy cat seems unlikely but Disney still has not made any changes that would prevent a crime outside any of the parks.

 

[Stripes]

https://twitter.com/oaklandpoliceca/status/742938711877357569

No idea for certain if this was for Orlando, but I'm 99% sure it wasn't for anything else.

This crap is getting ridiculous. I don't care how it's solved politically, but something has to change, this CANNOT continue anymore! And no PLEASE DON'T talk about politics here.