Orlando Becoming East Coast Headquarters for Disney Parks, Experiences, and Products

[flynnibus]

Wait, so the large population base with higher than norm disposable income is NOT a business friendy feature?

The access to some of the largest shipping ports in the US, including the ones closest and with direction access to Asian markets isn't a business friendly feature?

The access to what is basically the R&D capital of the US in technology is NOT a business friendly feature?

The fact that the GPD has almost doubled in the past 25 years, and but for 2019-20 has continually increased, including NOW, is somehow proof it is NOT business friendly?

Ok, so you move goal posts and avoid the retort...

and then go onto to make up your own definition of the term which really isn't what the term is about.

When the term 'business friendly' is used its describing features like low tax burden, reasonable regulatory environment, accessible financing, incentives and access to cheap or affordable qualified labor. It has nothing to do with 'how successful companies have been in the past' or 'how attractive' a market maybe.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Ok, so you move goal posts and avoid the retort...

and then go onto to make up your own definition of the term which really isn't what the term is about.

When the term 'business friendly' is used its describing features like low tax burden, reasonable regulatory environment, accessible financing, incentives and access to cheap or affordable qualified labor. It has nothing to do with 'how successful companies have been in the past' or 'how attractive' a market maybe.

NO I don't move the goalposts, I just don't acknowledge fools who seem to think that business friendly just means tax breaks or certain cherry picked features., as opposed to a multitude of things that make companies successful.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I'm no expert on building costs, but that price seems insane for (essentially) an office complex... right? I mean Aulani was built for (an estimated) $800 million in 2011 and even adjusting for inflation, that would seem to put this project either as just as expensive as Aulani or more expensive...

I agree... $1.3 billion sounds like a lot to be spending on this. Does make me wonder how long it would take them to recoup that and all the other costs associated with moving to Florida in tax savings. I'm also curious to know whether they have softened the hard-line on forcing people to move to Florida, which presumably would reduce even further the savings depending on how keen people were to uproot their lives in California for suburban Central Florida.

 

[flynnibus]

NO I don't move the goalposts, I just don't acknowledge fools who seem to think that business friendly just means tax breaks or certain cherry picked features., as opposed to a multitude of things that make companies successful.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Great strategy you got there!

6 ways states are creating small business hot spots — and jobs

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Why Delaware? - Business First Steps - State of Delaware

View information about Why Delaware is Business-Friendly, a Great Location, its Low Costs, High Quality

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Area Development’s 13th Annual “Top States for Doing Business” Survey of Consultants Indicates Locations Providing an Environment for Business Growth — Georgia Ranks #1

Area Development's Top States for Doing Business survey of location consultants ranks states in 13 categories that impact companies' facility plans.

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"Area Development’s 2022 Top States for Doing Business results reflect the rankings that states receive based on scores in the following categories: Overall cost of doing business, cooperative and responsive state government, favorable regulatory environment, corporate tax environment, business incentives, competitive labor environment, workforce development programs, logistics and infrastructure, access to capital and project funding, available real estate, energy availability and costs, speed of permitting, and site-readiness programs"

Which are the best US states to do business in?

A new survey from CNBC looks at the best states for business in America, looking at factors from the cost of doing business to access to capital.

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But you be you...

 

[Tha Realest]

All Florida has is *checks notes* low taxes.

Some businesses only care about the tax bill, others care about the full package.

Florida has a lower cost of living and much more affordable housing. Free college for many in state residents that achieve a certain GPA.

 

[mkt]

Florida had a lower cost of living and much more affordable housing.

Florida's cost of living is ranked 4th highest in the US now. So sure, housing is cheaper than California - but it's not the bargain it used to be. And you still have to insure the housing, and Florida is the absolute worst in the US for this. On top of which, Florida is the home to several of the most unaffordable metro areas in the country (Miami/Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando), and the second lowest wage major US city (Orlando)

Free college for many in state residents that achieve a certain GPA.

It's not entirely free, and the state's made many cuts to bright futures. Furthermore, Florida's not alone in this.

 

[Lilofan]

Florida's cost of living is ranked 4th highest in the US now. So sure, housing is cheaper than California - but it's not the bargain it used to be. And you still have to insure the housing, and Florida is the absolute worst in the US for this. On top of which, Florida is the home to several of the most unaffordable metro areas in the country (Miami/Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando), and the second lowest wage major US city (Orlando)


It's not entirely free, and the state's made many cuts to bright futures. Furthermore, Florida's not alone in this.

Try finding an insurer to ensure your FL home that is more than 30 years old. There are none except if you resort to Citizens , the company of last resort .

 

[mkt]

Try finding an insurer to ensure your FL home that is more than 30 years old. There are none except if you resort to Citizens , the company of last resort .

Forget >30 years. They're rejecting newer properties as well, forcing everyone to Citizens.

It's also bad for business insurance in Florida.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Florida's cost of living is ranked 4th highest in the US now.

Where are you seeing 4th? ()

World Population Review has them 27th most expensive

Cost of Living Index by State 2023

lnsure has them 18th most expensive

Cost of living by state 2022 [compare rates using COLI tool] | Insure.com

Moving to another state in the U.S? Find out how much it will cost. See the highest and lowest cost of living by state, plus compare the price of home and car insurance policies.

www.insure.com

US News has them 25th

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/opportunity/affordability/cost-living

I’m struggling to think of any metric that would have them above notoriously expensive places like CA, NY, NJ, HI, Alaska, Mass, etc.

 

[The Mom]

Try finding an insurer to ensure your FL home that is more than 30 years old. There are none except if you resort to Citizens , the company of last resort .

I live in a 100 year old FL home and have insurance.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I live in a 100 year old FL home and have insurance.

Do you have a newish roof? From what I’ve read the age of the roof seems to be a bigger insurance factor than the age of the home.

 

[The Mom]

Do you have a newish roof? From what I’ve read the age of the roof seems to be a bigger insurance factor than the age of the home.

I've lived in the house long enough to have replaced the roof a few times. So yes, a newish roof. My addition is also new enough to have hurricane strapping.

 

[donsullivan]

I got new insurance on my 30 year old home a couple years ago without any issues. But most new insurance companies will require you to pass a 4 point inspection which checks roof, electrical system, HVAC and plumbing. Without passing that, they wouldn't even talk to me about providing insurance. When I bought the house 7 years ago that insurance company (they've since left the market) made me replace the water heater due to age within 30 days or the policy would auto cancel. The bottom line is most all insurance companies will require that the house be well maintained or they will not insure it.

Depending on where you are in FL they might also want a wind Mitigation inspection to show how susceptible the house is to severe damage in a hurricane. That looks for things like trusses or rafters attached to the walls with metal straps, hip roof vs gable ends, etc.

 

[mkt]

Where are you seeing 4th? ()

Standby. I literally read this today.

 

[mkt]

Where are you seeing 4th? ()

Here you go - I meant cost of living index

And a paywall bypass link if you need it

 

[Tha Realest]

Florida's cost of living is ranked 4th highest in the US now. So sure, housing is cheaper than California - but it's not the bargain it used to be. And you still have to insure the housing, and Florida is the absolute worst in the US for this. On top of which, Florida is the home to several of the most unaffordable metro areas in the country (Miami/Ft Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando), and the second lowest wage major US city (Orlando)

None of them hold a candle to San Diego / San Francisco / much of LA.

It's not entirely free, and the state's made many cuts to bright futures. Furthermore, Florida's not alone in this.

And CA has no comparable program at all. So, “it’s not entirely free” is a heck of a lot better than nonexistent.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Here you go - I meant cost of living index

And a paywall bypass link if you need it


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I think that’s just showing a range of states, not the top 8 most expensive.

Florida at 102 is barely above average (100). Georgia is 12% cheaper than average at 88.

 

[mkt]

None of them hold a candle to San Diego / San Francisco / much of LA.

Just like wages in Florida don't hold a candle to San Diego/San Francisco/much o LA.

And CA has no comparable program at all. So, “it’s not entirely free” is a heck of a lot better than nonexistent.

Eh, they have Cal Grants which cover about as much as Bright Futures, with the added bonus of being in a state where employers will likely offer higher wages after graduation than in Florida.

 

[Californian Elitist]

And CA has no comparable program at all. So, “it’s not entirely free” is a heck of a lot better than nonexistent.

False. Tuition for the first two years of community college is free for California residents under the California College Promise program.

 

[Tha Realest]

False. Tuition for the first two years of community college is free for California residents under the California College Promise program.

Not necessarily. Most of those programs appear to be income and need based, not merit-based - which doesn’t help many middle class families since Mkt and others have been bragging about how much higher wages are in CA.