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[Tha Realest]

Just like wages in Florida don't hold a candle to San Diego/San Francisco/much o LA.

Eh, they have Cal Grants which cover about as much as Bright Futures, with the added bonus of being in a state where employers will likely offer higher wages after graduation than in Florida.

Your average middle class family in CA would be foreclosed to Cal Promise Grants due to income need base of these programs.

I have family members that did recieve Bright Futures scholarships but wouldn’t have been eligible in CA due to income

 

[mkt]

Mkt and others have been bragging about how much higher wages are in CA.

It's not bragging if it's true.

And I live in Florida with the knowledge that moving to California would easily mean a $100k increase in salary.

 

[flynnibus]

Here you go - I meant cost of living index

And a paywall bypass link if you need it


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Issue I have with articles like this is...

1) It keeps comparing Florida to the worst case scenarios (top 3) in most of its comparisons throughout the piece... focusing on NY more than anything. I mean when you do that, the math says you can take a majority of states and have similar arguments
2) Comparing state level stats when talking about localized topics - especially when the size of the urban areas in the states isn't really comparable either. Talking state level stats in comparisons here often just paints artificial comparisons between non-existant 'avg' locations in each state

And lastly.. I'm still trying to figure out wth they were doing with that Cost of Living Index chart. It's beyond misleading. It's a relative index comparison... not a bar chart from 0. 100 would be the comparison point and you show people above and below that 'zero' aka avg point... And on top of that their cite points to a Missouri article that itself is just citing other uncited data? What garbage.

And while the chart would lead you to the conclusion you drew (Fl is 4th) it's not accurate. They are not 4th highest COL index in the country, Florida is 4th in the LIMITED SET OF STATES they chose to compare (in their narrative of these fastest growing states). - They are as the article states... in the middle of the pack of all states.. as reflected per their 102 (2% higher than the avg) index rank.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Not necessarily. Most of those programs appear to be income and need based, not merit-based - which doesn’t help many middle class families since Mkt and others have been bragging about how much higher wages are in CA.

To qualify for free tuition, people must be California residents/AB 540 students, first-timers, and full-time.

It’s still an opportunity for free college in the state.

 

[flynnibus]

False. Tuition for the first two years of community college is free for California residents under the California College Promise program.

apples and oranges. The FL program is a state sponsored merit scholorship program.

CA is a financial aid program for low income and first gen students... certainly not some broad 'first two years of CC are free for Cali Residents' statement.

 

[Californian Elitist]

apples and oranges. The FL program is a state sponsored merit scholorship program.

CA is a financial aid program for low income and first gen students... certainly not some broad 'first two years of CC are free for Cali Residents' statement.

It’s not just for first-gen students. And the California College Promise program is actually not an option for low-income students, who would actually apply for a separate program/option (California College Promise Grant). It’s open to those who don’t qualify for the California College Promise Grant, California residents, and full-time first-timers. Not sure where you’re getting first-gen from.

 

[Tha Realest]

To qualify for free tuition, people must be California residents/AB 540 students, first-timers, and full-time.

It’s still an opportunity for free college in the state.

It’s functionally unattainable to middle class families - you know, the ones most likely to be able to afford a trip to WDW.

If you’re middle class with kids, you have a very good chance of having your kids college largely paid for. If you’re middle class in CA, you have a very good chance of your kids being ineligible for scholarships due to income.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It’s functionally unattainable to middle class families - you know, the ones most likely to be able to afford a trip to WDW.

If you’re middle class with kids, you have a very good chance of having your kids college largely paid for. If you’re middle class in CA, you have a very good chance of your kids being ineligible for scholarships due to income.

How is the program unattainable for middle-class families if the program is available for…middle class families?

The second part of your post is a big generalization based on assumptions. It’s not true.

 

[flynnibus]

It’s not just for first-gen students. And the California College Promise program is actually not an option for low-income students, who would actually apply for a separate program/option (California College Promise Grant). It’s open to those who don’t qualify for the California College Promise Grant, California residents, and full-time first-timers. Not sure where you’re getting first-gen from.

The California Promise Program | CSU

www.calstate.edu

The program is limited to students who meet the criteria:

• Residents of California and
• Low income/Pell eligible or
• First generation college student or
• From communities that are underrepresented in college attendance

Only certain majors at each campus are eligible for this program. Not all students who indicate interest will be able to participate.

California College Promise Grant - is even less significant as it's just funding waivers of enrollment fees.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The California Promise Program | CSU

www.calstate.edu

California College Promise Grant - is even less significant as it's just funding waivers of enrollment fees.

You’re looking at something the CSUs have established on their own regarding the program. Community college is still free for the first two years for those who qualify, depending on the community college of choice.

 

[Tha Realest]

How is the program unattainable for middle-class families if the program is available for…middle class families?

The second part of your post is a big generalization based on assumptions. It’s not true.

Middle class is generally defined based on median income and family size. Broadly speaking, the low end on the income scale for a middle class with kids is just short of $50k/year (and some have shown it’s closer to $70K a year in CA).

This is the eligibility chart for California Promise Grants:

If you’re middle class, you’re priced out of CA Promise Grants. And many “California Promise” programs have their own need or income base requirements, and are completely discretionary.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

False. Tuition for the first two years of community college is free for California residents under the California College Promise program.

This is one thing I think Nevada does right, Community college is free for NV residents as long as they maintain a 2.5 gpa.

Opportunity with accountability.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Middle class is generally defined based on median income and family size. Broadly speaking, the low end on the income scale for a middle class with kids is just short of $50k/year (and some have shown it’s closer to $70K a year in CA).

This is the eligibility chart for California Promise Grants:
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If you’re middle class, you’re priced out of CA Promise Grants. And many “California Promise” programs have their own need or income base requirements, and are completely discretionary.

I’m talking about the California College Promise program, not the grant.

You know what? Okay.

 

[Californian Elitist]

This is one thing I think Nevada does right, Community college is free for NV residents as long as they maintain a 2.5 gpa.

Opportunity with accountability.

They have to maintain a certain GPA here, too.

 

[flynnibus]

You’re looking at something the CSUs have established on their own regarding the program. Community college is still free for the first two years for those who qualify, depending on the community college of choice.

'for those who quality, depending on' - yes, that's what we keep trying to point out vs your broad statements

It's money given to schools and they get to decide if they offer tuition waver programs or spend the money somewhere else. Basically it's a big subsidy program to fund numerous college accessibility and student performance programs. Many CCs have provided tuition programs. But honestly Cali CC tuition is only $522 semester for 12 credits.

All this back and forth is really over a CC program that isn't comparable to the initial Florida grants that were mentioned.

 

[Californian Elitist]

'for those who quality, depending on' - yes, that's what we keep trying to point out vs your broad statements

It's money given to schools and they get to decide if they offer tuition waver programs or spend the money somewhere else. Basically it's a big subsidy program to fund numerous college accessibility and student performance programs. Many CCs have provided tuition programs. But honestly Cali CC tuition is only $522 semester for 12 credits.

All this back and forth is really over a CC program that isn't comparable to the initial Florida grants that were mentioned.

My statements aren’t broad. I was in my educational counseling Master’s program when this was being developed. You’re looking at the CSU website for reasons that don’t pertain to my original post.

No more going back and forth.

 

[Tha Realest]

I’m talking about the California College Promise program, not the grant.

You know what? Okay.

I aware CA has various programs. But you’re attempting to compare one that *might* offer two years free CC tuition to one that covers tuition costs at a four year university.

This discussion all started by describing the differences between FL and CA. For middle class families there’s virtually no comparison between what’s offered between the states.

 

[Tha Realest]

'for those who quality, depending on' - yes, that's what we keep trying to point out vs your broad statements

It's money given to schools and they get to decide if they offer tuition waver programs or spend the money somewhere else. Basically it's a big subsidy program to fund numerous college accessibility and student performance programs. Many CCs have provided tuition programs. But honestly Cali CC tuition is only $522 semester for 12 credits.

All this back and forth is really over a CC program that isn't comparable to the initial Florida grants that were mentioned.

There’s an awful lot of qualifiers in here, which renders the notion that “all California residents get two years of free community college” meaningless:

The California College Promise program allows California Community Colleges (CCC) to provide free tuition —but only to students who qualify. The California College Promise program requires students to reapply every academic year. Not all California community colleges offer the program, which is administered by the chancellor of the CCC.


Qualifying students receive funding for 12 months. However, only certain majors may be eligible for the program. Other eligibility standards may also apply. These include being:

First-time students

• California residents, or eligible under the California Dream Act
• Income eligible
• Pell Grant eligible
• Part of a underrepresented group, such as minority or LGBTQ+ communities
• Ready to make a two-year or four-year college commitment

 

[Californian Elitist]

I aware CA has various programs. But you’re attempting to compare one that *might* offer two years free CC tuition to one that covers tuition costs at a four year university.

This discussion all started by describing the differences between FL and CA. For middle class families there’s virtually no comparison between what’s offered between the states.

I’m actually not comparing anything. Haven’t mentioned Florida once. I responded to the “free college for many in state residents that maintain a certain GPA.” California offers that. That’s all.

Anyways…

 

[Tha Realest]

I’m actually not comparing anything. Haven’t mentioned Florida once. I responded to the “free college for many in state residents that maintain a certain GPA.” California offers that. That’s all.

Anyways…

If you’re of a certain income.
If you’ve within a certain socioeconomic category.
If your college of choice opts in.
If said college hasn’t repurposed the grants elsewhere.
If you have a certain major.
If you qualify for FAFSA.
If you don’t have much in the way of familial support.
If you’re first generation college or DACA eligible.

Lots of qualifiers that undercut your original assertion.