Oga's Cantina at Disney's Hollywood Studios

drod1985

drod1985

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Pierrelucas said:
Hey everyone I have a reservation for 1:30 pm on opening day. If the land is overcrowded di you think I'll be able to enter the land anyway to access the bar?
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Per another poster’s could call with WDW support - yes. Reservations get you into the land. It was also DL’s policy.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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The first 2 pages of this thread are basically how Disney screwed up and this place is overpriced and definitely not worth going. Steve then says reservations are now being taken and the next 4-5 pages are from people saying they got one or they are having problems getting a reservation . This is exactly what Disney knows that whether you like what you see or don’t, most people will still want to experience it. I’m not judging anyone at all. I’m not even a Star Wars fan and I got a reservation for November. I just like to see what the imaginears create. Not even a drinker but I will at least check it out. A blue milk sounds good, whatever that is. 🙂
 
baymenxpac

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DisneyDebRob said:
The first 2 pages of this thread are basically how Disney screwed up and this place is overpriced and definitely not worth going. Steve then says reservations are now being taken and the next 4-5 pages are from people saying they got one or they are having problems getting a reservation . This is exactly what Disney knows that whether you like what you see or don’t, most people will still want to experience it. I’m not judging anyone at all. I’m not even a Star Wars fan and I got a reservation for November. I just like to see what the imaginears create. Not even a drinker but I will at least check it out. A blue milk sounds good, whatever that is. 🙂
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that's a fair point. that being said, anything new is going to draw a look-in audience. . and the idea is to create repeatable draws, right? because the parks are almost exclusively an avenue to hawk DVC nowadays. are people going to keep going to this? maybe, maybe not.

i also quibble with the idea that just because you can get away with creating a subpar experience because of the popularity of the attached IP doesn't mean you should.
 
fractal

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Mickeyboof said:
Come on. Even if you know about something ahead of time doesn’t make it any less uncomfortable or worthy of complaints.

I stood with two Star Wars fans. We had a great conversation. The only uncomfortable part was when my friend and I learned these two only do rides once and couldn’t comprehend why we’d suggest they do the Falcon again with new roles. But I live in manhattan and work in theatre, so I’m probably more outgoing than most.

It’s awesome you didn’t watch anything or keep tabs on the promises that the Walt Disney Company boldly proclaimed, but that doesn’t mean our concerns and complaints are any less valid because we eagerly kept up to date with this new land.

Immersion does NOT MEAN REAL. It just doesn’t. All the Disney parks are inherently immersive because of their heightened reality. Actually, Disney parks are a prime example of “Hyperreality.”

Hyperreality = what is real and what is fiction are seamlessly blended together so that there is no clear distinction between where one ends and the other begins.

Galaxy’s Edge isn’t real. It just isn’t. Galaxy’s Edge is a theme park land, and to treat it as anything else leads to an unfortunate disarray of ideals. Galaxy’s Edge is NOT a city. Galactic outposts are not REAL so you can not compare them to real world environments. Because they’re not real, designers are tasked to use tools to “sell” the experience. That’s why we see Aurebesh, space ships, DJ Rex, and whatever else is a clear signifier that we are stepping out of “reality” and into a space *between* reality and fiction.

Disney has commandeered the concept and phrase “immersive,” but immersive has never ever meant “real.” Sure, immersive works seek to create *real life experiences,* but they are creating tangible and tactile experiences that are as real as your dog. Not as real as a Wegman’s grocery store, or a Moroccan marketplace.

Without music as a signifier, the audience really has no way to decipher what a space means, or how to feel about it.

The First Order area sounds the same as the Falcon area, which sounds the same as the Marketplace, which sounds the same as a Duane Reade.

Is the Marketplace a fast passed environment? Is it dangerous? Or is it exciting? What is the tone? The music would tell me, without, I’m lost. There aren’t natural sounds occurring that make one believe it’s anything but an elaborate gift shop. Add a touch of marketplace music, with a hint of John Williams themes being played by exotic instruments and bam! The audience would instantly begin to understand the tone and relationship of the space. Even better, add an actor or two as Alien smugglers and we’d really begin to collectively understand the nature of the Marketplace as an edge of the Galaxy’s black market. Until then, we’ve got nothing to go off of.

Often in Star Wars, we hear the ‘bad guy music’ before we even see the bad guy. It shapes how we enter a space in the film. At Galaxy’s Edge, in the First Order area, we hear nothing but static ships beeping. There is no music to guide the experience and teach the guests. Without the music, it’s hard to understand if the First Order is actually present, or if their ship is merely a symbol. A subtle scoring of this area would send us into an excited, cautious state. It would create suspense- a suspense that would build until the big reveal of Kylo Ren, or when suddenly we are being interrogated by the patrolling Storm Troopers!! Music is the signifying marker. Without, I’m left to wonder what is happening.

Upon seeing the Falcon, I have no music to elevate my emotional connection. It’s the Falcon, but without the music, whose Falcon is it? Music would make anyone believe you CAN take this bad ***** on a ride through space right NOW! Without the music, there just isn’t a promise for adventure. The lore of Han is missing. The adventures with Chewie is missing. It just sits there. We can’t even touch the damn thing because of a fence, because Batuu isn’t real, it’s a theme park with rules.

Music is about a feeling. It’s a tangible, tactile relationship to the land. Without it, you’ve got a deserted movie set.

The Cantina is the only area with a true signifier. While the building itself is a speakeasy of sorts, without big signs saying DRINK HERE!, the music pouring out of the building immediately tells the story. It’s a watering hole at the edge of the galaxy with exotic beats. The curiosity sparks inside us instantly. What kind of creatures might we see in here?? What kind of drinks did they enjoy in the films?? I want to go! I want to soak up the vibes. This is the Cantina!! I know this because the music is bumping!

I truly cannot comprehend that anyone with an account on this message board can honestly believe the presence of area music takes one out of the fantasy/fiction of the theme park space they’re in.

It blows my mind.

Also, I love cocktails and I love all the drinks I’ve tried here thus far. But if you don’t like sweet, fun cocktails, sure this won’t be your style.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
rkleinlein

rkleinlein

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Does anybody know if reservations for this bar are in place only during the opening months or if they will continue for the long haul? If the former, it's completely understandable. If the latter, it's a bit absurd. No adult I know wants to make a reservation 6 months ahead of time to stop by a bar and have a drink while they're on vacation. If this bar is considered more of an attraction (completely understandable given the fame of the cantina scene in Star Wars) then why wouldn't they make it bigger? This seems like a no-brainer and a lost opportunity--like so many recent additions.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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rkleinlein said:
Does anybody know if reservations for this bar are in place only during the opening months or if they will continue for the long haul? If the former, it's completely understandable. If the latter, it's a bit absurd. No adult I know wants to make a reservation 6 months ahead of time to stop by a bar and have a drink while they're on vacation. If this bar is considered more of an attraction (completely understandable given the fame of the cantina scene in Star Wars) then why wouldn't they make it bigger? This seems like a no-brainer and a lost opportunity--like so many recent additions.
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It will continue.

There comes a point where a bar is too big. They’re usually small. They need a sit down.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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baymenxpac said:
that's a fair point. that being said, anything new is going to draw a look-in audience. . and the idea is to create repeatable draws, right? because the parks are almost exclusively an avenue to hawk DVC nowadays. are people going to keep going to this? maybe, maybe not.

i also quibble with the idea that just because you can get away with creating a subpar experience because of the popularity of the attached IP doesn't mean you should.
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You bring up a fair point also. Disney would love to have most people as a repeat to whatever there new thing is. I’m a one timer to this place because I don’t have much interest in SW and I’m not a big drinker so I’m going for the show I guess. But, in building this land and everything in it, Disney knows they have thousands and thousands of built in repeaters that will go every time they come to the park. Sort of like me with Sanaa. 😎 I guess the bar could be lower for them just knowing they will always have the customers for this land. Not saying they didn’t do a good job, haven’t been there yet but I think you get my thinking.
 
ImperfectPixie

ImperfectPixie

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rkleinlein said:
Does anybody know if reservations for this bar are in place only during the opening months or if they will continue for the long haul? If the former, it's completely understandable. If the latter, it's a bit absurd. No adult I know wants to make a reservation 6 months ahead of time to stop by a bar and have a drink while they're on vacation. If this bar is considered more of an attraction (completely understandable given the fame of the cantina scene in Star Wars) then why wouldn't they make it bigger? This seems like a no-brainer and a lost opportunity--like so many recent additions.
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It's a perfect example of over-using false scarcity to create demand. Sad part is that they didn't need to do that...the demand was already there.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Kram Sacul said:
We should probably be honest. The cantina would never be big enough. That being said it should probably be twice as big as it is now.
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Agreed. It’s particularly small for something that was made up in the first place. At least Hogsmeade had the excuse that everything had to look like it does in the films, where the shops are tiny. Oga’s isn’t canon. Nor is Olga’s. Or Ogga’s
 
TP2000

TP2000

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MansionButler84 said:
Agreed. It’s particularly small for something that was made up in the first place. At least Hogsmeade had the excuse that everything had to look like it does in the films, where the shops are tiny. Oga’s isn’t canon. Nor is Olga’s. Or Ogga’s
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Plus, the only visual of a "cantina" we got from Star Wars was a facility bigger and more sprawling than the one in Star Wars Land.

A cantina in Star Wars Land could have, and probably should have, been built with all sorts of little rooms and nooks where booths and tables and banquettes could be set. Plus the mandatory "secret rooms" or "back areas" or "mob boss office" that AP's and fans would love to be seated in. A big horseshoe bar and a bandstand would obviously be a main part of the facility, but side rooms and VIP areas would have added capacity and improved the showmanship and overall customer experience.

I just Googled this, and of course I went down a rabbit hole where apparently people have been sketching out the Star Wars cantina schematics for the last 40 years. But even the small basic Cantina from the movie had more capacity than what they built in the land. :facepalm:

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More than you'd ever want to know about the cantina at... http://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/id20.htm
 
Kram Sacul

Kram Sacul

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TP2000 said:
Plus, the only visual of a "cantina" we got from Star Wars was a facility bigger and more sprawling than the one in Star Wars Land.

A cantina in Star Wars Land could have, and probably should have, been built with all sorts of little rooms and nooks where booths and tables and banquettes could be set. Plus the mandatory "secret rooms" or "back areas" or "mob boss office" that AP's and fans would love to be seated in. A big horseshoe bar and a bandstand would obviously be a main part of the facility, but side rooms and VIP areas would have added capacity and improved the showmanship and overall customer experience.

I just Googled this, and of course I went down a rabbit hole where apparently people have been sketching out the Star Wars cantina schematics for the last 40 years. But even the small basic Cantina from the movie had more capacity than what they built in the land. :facepalm:

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More than you'd ever want to know about the cantina at... http://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/id20.htm
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They should’ve built the GE cantina like a Buca di Beppo. A Pope room too.
 

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