Politics OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

[TP2000]

According to this guy ..limited to 120 mile radius and county must be in the Yellow Tier.. Orange County is presently in the Red Tier...Then must be in the orange tier for 3 weeks before graduating to the yellow tier.. Confusing .. and still just a rumor at this point..

It pains me to say it, but apparently Fresh Baked was right about this back on October 1st.

Now I need a drink!

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

This pains me to say this, but apparently Fresh Baked was right about this back on October 1st.

Now I need a drink!

Hell hath frozen over

 

[icc2515]

LA County and Orange County alone have 13 MILLION people. That's not even counting portions of San Diego, Riverside, San Bernadino, and Ventura counties that fall within the 120-mile radius. Disneyland can't make a profit off of that?

I am no expert on DL, but I do know a little about WDW. I know that WDW is looking to fill those hotel rooms and sell daily tickets. Do locals fill those expensive DL hotel rooms? I have a reservation at the Grand Californian for Nov 1st and I know it is not going to happen, but I would think that DL would love to have people from out of state come in and stay at their hotels and buy some tickets. That's fresh money coming in not like the AP's that have already been paid for. Or are they mostly on a payment plan? I also know that the WDW park reservation system is heavily weighted in favor of WDW hotel guests and people with WDW tickets not AP's. I really think that the 120 mile thing is garbage. I can still legally travel to CA, umm at least I think I can now that I think of it.

I can get from Long Boat Key to WDW (114 miles) in under 2 hours. That's a day trip. I know traffic CA is a nightmare does 120 miles away kind of need an overnight to make it worth while?

Like I said we have a reservation for Nov 1st that I know is not happening, but my kids don't want me to cancel it as they really wanted to experience CA for the first time. I haven't told them yet that I have secured reservations for the end of April, but the way you guys are talking that might not happen either.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I fully expect there to start being lawsuits brought towards the state from each major theme park operator. Whether they band together, or have individual lawsuits. It's the next logical step in this push to get the resort open.

 

[TP2000]

I can get from Long Boat Key to WDW (114 miles) in under 2 hours. That's a day trip. I know traffic CA is a nightmare does 120 miles away kind of need an overnight to make it worth while?

Not really. 120 miles to/from Disneyland is generally a two hour trip, maybe two and a half hours, because you wouldn't be trying to go to Disneyland at 7am nor would try and leave at 5pm.

But the thought that they would restrict Disneyland customers to a 120 mile radius is shocking. And it must be terrifying for Disney's executives. This is not how Disneyland was designed to operate, particularly since the 1970's.

 

[Figments Friend]

So if these do end up being the new restrictions, and only local residents within a 120 mile radius of Disneyland can visit, how is this going to work when the Convention Center reopens...?

Does this mean all of those thousands of out of state convention goers are now not going to be 'allowed' to visit the Parks literally down the road?
How is that going to be handled if the time comes...?


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[George Lucas on a Bench]

To all who come to this happy place...welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here, age relives fond memories of the past, and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams and the hard facts that have created America, with the hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to everyone within a 120 mile radius.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So if these do end up being the new restrictions, and only local residents within a 120 mile radius of Disneyland can visit, how is this going to work when the Convention Center reopens...?

Does this mean all of those thousands of out of state convention goers are now not going to be 'allowed' to visit the Parks literally down the road?
How is that going to be handled if the time comes...?


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Conventions and conferences collapsed well in advance of legal restrictions. Events well into the future continue to be cancelled. It’s not coming back that quickly.

 

[LastoneOn]

Not really. 120 miles to/from Disneyland is generally a two hour trip, maybe two and a half hours, because you wouldn't be trying to go to Disneyland at 7am nor would try and leave at 5pm.

I-5 not very quiet at 5 AM either.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Not really. 120 miles to/from Disneyland is generally a two hour trip, maybe two and a half hours, because you wouldn't be trying to go to Disneyland at 7am nor would try and leave at 5pm.

Lol it takes longer than that to drive half that distance to DL at any hour on a weekday. Granted, it usually is shorter on a weekend if there are no accidents along the way.

You're spoiled living in the OC and taking your Ubers @TP2000 to not know what traffic to DL is like from outside of the immediate area.

 

[GimpYancIent]

From District 6 Anaheim Councilmember Trevor O'Neil's Facebook page.

>>“Responsibly reopening amusement parks and fighting this pandemic do not need to be mutually exclusive... Tens of thousands of amusement park workers and their families, businesses surrounding amusement parks and desperate local governments are counting on the state to do both.”

Governor Newsom's actions have cost thousands of Orange County jobs and strained cities' budgets that count on tourism tax revenue.

California theme parks were ready to reopen in July, and then labor unions made a plea to the Governor and everything came to a grinding halt. There is no question in my mind that Newsom's continued posturing is absolutely a political power play over conservative Orange County.<<

Ho Hum, Yawn, more words, posturing and spin NO action. Deed's not Words are needed.

 

[TP2000]

Lol it takes longer than that to drive half that distance to DL at any hour on a weekday. Granted, it usually is shorter on a weekend if there are no accidents along the way.

You're spoiled living in the OC and taking your Ubers @TP2000 to not know what traffic to DL is like from outside of the immediate area.

You know, I almost put something about how tough it can be to get across LA County. Whenever I drive up to visit family in Santa Barbara County, it's that 20 miles from Downey to North Hollywood that is the toughest either way.

But yes, if you are within Orange County with its wider and more modern freeways, you are generally better off than LA County. San Diego County is also pretty good, especially since they've been working on the 5 north of Del Mar for the past few years.

 

[TP2000]

So if these do end up being the new restrictions, and only local residents within a 120 mile radius of Disneyland can visit, how is this going to work when the Convention Center reopens...?

Does this mean all of those thousands of out of state convention goers are now not going to be 'allowed' to visit the Parks literally down the road?
How is that going to be handled if the time comes...?

Those are all excellent questions, you smart lady, you!

But we have no idea how that may be handled. Currently, convention centers are illegal to operate in California even if your county gets down to the mythical Yellow Tier.

There is no current ability for any California convention center to ever reopen. No Green Tier exists, on purpose because Governor Newsom says we are never going back to "normal".

But if you extrapolated out these theme park rules to convention centers, they wouldn't reopen ever. A theme park has to get to the Yellow Tier to be able to reopen at 25% capacity and no visitors allowed from more than 120 miles away. That would prevent any convention center from holding a convention, with the exception of local events like Home & Garden Shows, Boat Shows, or the Auto Show for locals only. And even then it would have its capacity severely restricted to 25%. That's not a business model that works for an Auto Show or Home Show.

In short, the Anaheim Convention Center is even more doomed than Disneyland is. Check back in 2022?

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Ho Hum, Yawn, more words, posturing and spin NO action. Deed's not Words are needed.

Who are you again?

 

[mandelbrot]

I would suggest everyone who is currently furloughed by Disneyland to abandon that sinking ship like First Class Women on the Titanic.

Only there are no life boats for us...

 

[mandelbrot]

How do you know they all are?? My Father-in-Law is a respiratory therapist at a major hospital in the valley and his wife works at Holy Cross. Both have seen their staffing reduced due to there not being enough critical patients, and frankly, both are beyond fed up with Newsom.

Imagine wishing there were more people sick enough to require critical care.

 

[mandelbrot]

What other large business category is still closed in California?

Bars, at least they have guidelines of how and when they can open.

Sports Venues, at least they can host games.

Movie Theaters have guidelines.

Live Entertainment. The closest I can come up with. TV and Movie production is allowed. But how many employees and revenue impact does it have (not counting Movie and TV) compared to Theme/Amusement parks?

There are many many bars in Orange County currently operating like normal and against regulations. There is virtually no enforcement of the guidelines here.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

You know, I almost put something about how tough it can be to get across LA County. Whenever I drive up to visit family in Santa Barbara County, it's that 20 miles from Downey to North Hollywood that is the toughest either way.

But yes, if you are within Orange County with its wider and more modern freeways, you are generally better off than LA County. San Diego County is also pretty good, especially since they've been working on the 5 north of Del Mar for the past few years.

As someone who visits from north of LA (but well within the 120 mile range), we’ve found staying at Good Neighbor hotels is a great convenience.

If the travel restrictions stick, the Anaheim resort district can be thankful for the incompetence of Cal Trans for creating “stimulus” for their hotels. If not for the never-ending construction delays on the I-5 my 2+ hour drive could be cut down to one.

This was compounded by the fact that when Rise opened it was a welcome necessity to stay near property to be able to access an early AM boarding pass at rope drop.

 

[TP2000]

There are many many bars in Orange County currently operating like normal and against regulations. There is virtually no enforcement of the guidelines here.

I have it on good authority from commercial real estate folks that pretty much every strip mall dive bar in OC is operating as per normal. All they had to do was add a "Hot Dog & Bag Of Chips $7" to their menu, and that qualifies as a meal and they reopened.

It also helps that there is no enforcement of any of this by the county Sherriff or any local law enforcement in OC.

Me personally? I only go to the bars that are offering "Artichoke Dip & Fire Grilled Toast $15" on their menu.

 

[mandelbrot]

From District 6 Anaheim Councilmember Trevor O'Neil's Facebook page.

>>“Responsibly reopening amusement parks and fighting this pandemic do not need to be mutually exclusive... Tens of thousands of amusement park workers and their families, businesses surrounding amusement parks and desperate local governments are counting on the state to do both.”

Governor Newsom's actions have cost thousands of Orange County jobs and strained cities' budgets that count on tourism tax revenue.

California theme parks were ready to reopen in July, and then labor unions made a plea to the Governor and everything came to a grinding halt. There is no question in my mind that Newsom's continued posturing is absolutely a political power play over conservative Orange County.<<

So it then must also be a political power play over liberal LA County (Universal Studios, Six Flags, Santa Monica Pier), liberal Santa Clara County (Great America), liberal Solano County (Six Flags), and liberal Santa Cruz County (Boardwalk).

It makes no sense for a governor to keep businesses shut down anywhere unless he/she feels it's for public health reasons. All politicians are in favor of collecting taxes from successful businesses.