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lazyboy97o

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There no requirement. You didn’t get it.
If you want Disney to remain closed, there’s no income for them do the “civic activity”.
So you want them to donate what they would otherwise liquidate through bankruptcy. That’s it.
Other, smaller companies figured out ways to do it. Disney is still making money even with the Disneyland Resort closed.

And nobody wants Disneyland to remain closed except maybe Orange County and Anaheim leaders who keeping wasting time crying for special treatment rather than just take the rather simple steps necessary. They could still make their disagreement known while doing what must be done. What ever happened to a “can do” attitude? Facing adversity by pulling up one’s bootstraps?
 

el_super

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That’s rich to demand service from a closed business.

Disneyland park is closed. Disney, and more specifically their operations in Anaheim, are not.

Maybe the best option is reopen the business while letting the pandemic sort itself out. The economy can’t continue while businesses are closed and everyone’s lives are ruined.

This is why discourse is dead in politics. How about, as a thought exercise, you try to come up with a solution to help people that doesn't just parrot the idea of just reopening and pretending nothing is wrong. It shouldn't be so hard to compromise.
 

TP2000

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That's a bit ... off. Obviously it isn't Disneyland's responsibility to provide community services or participate in local elections... but they do. They choose to be involved in their community (for better or worse) and they can choose to help fight COVID-19 and reduce infection rates in their community. They have clearly chosen not to, and that is a shame.

If infections continue and people keep insisting they will since the Yellow tier is so "impossible" to reach, then Disneyland will not open. Disneyland can at least work to get infections down (again choosing to be a positive force in the community) or do nothing and whine about being closed.

I honestly am not trying to pick on you personally, but I simply marvel at the lengths to which private businesses are supposed to go to in your perspective, aside from just offering the quality goods or services they are designed to offer.

But there seems to be very, very little personal responsibility required of all the people who are supposed to get all this free stuff from Disneyland and the local government (funded by Disneyland).

2.6% of Americans have tested positive for Covid-19 this year.
97.8% of Americans who tested positive for Covid-19 this year did not die.
Most Americans who did die with Covid were over 75 years old.


And now OC's biggest employer, Disneyland, is supposed to do even more for a community it has already donated tens of millions of dollars of free charity and thousands of jobs to in the last decade, and send paid Disneyland CM's door to door in Santa Ana to help provide medical and health advice (in Spanish, you helpfully added) to those residents?

Again, why stop there? There's apparently nothing anyone should be expected to do for themselves, or do to provide for the safety of their family. Disneyland CM's will come and take care of it all for them.

I know you will disagree with me, but I don't want to live in that world. I would like to take that personal responsibility for myself. I don't want Disneyland CM's coming to my door to give me free health advice and medical supplies. I only want Disneyland CM's to be polite to me in the park, and learn the jokes for the Jungle Cruise spiel better. ;)
 

lazyboy97o

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I honestly am not trying to pick on you personally, but I simply marvel at the lengths to which private businesses are supposed to go to in your perspective, aside from just offering the quality goods or services they are designed to offer.

But there seems to be very, very little personal responsibility required of all the people who are supposed to get all this free stuff from Disneyland and the local government (funded by Disneyland).

2.6% of Americans have tested positive for Covid-19 this year.
97.8% of Americans who tested positive for Covid-19 this year did not die.
Most Americans who did die with Covid were over 75 years old.


And now OC's biggest employer, Disneyland, is supposed to do even more for a community it has already donated tens of millions of dollars of free charity and thousands of jobs to in the last decade, and send paid Disneyland CM's door to door in Santa Ana to help provide medical and health advice (in Spanish, you helpfully added) to those residents?

Again, why stop there? There's apparently nothing anyone should be expected to do for themselves, or do to provide for the safety of their family. Disneyland CM's will come and take care of it all for them.

I know you will disagree with me, but I don't want to live in that world. I would like to take that personal responsibility for myself. I don't want Disneyland CM's coming to my door to give me free health advice and medical supplies. I only want Disneyland CM's to be polite to me in the park, and learn the jokes for the Jungle Cruise spiel better. ;)
You have incredibly poor reading comprehension. A suggestion is not a demand.
 

DanielBB8

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Other, smaller companies figured out ways to do it. Disney is still making money even with the Disneyland Resort closed.

And nobody wants Disneyland to remain closed except maybe Orange County and Anaheim leaders who keeping wasting time crying for special treatment rather than just take the rather simple steps necessary. They could still make their disagreement known while doing what must be done. What ever happened to a “can do” attitude? Facing adversity by pulling up one’s bootstraps?
The simple step of keeping everyone at home isn’t making it easier to get back to work and reopening businesses. In every country that reopened, every country had a second breakout. The deaths remain low despite the infections that still occur.

The Anaheim and Orange County leaders are more realistic than California. It’s time to reopen the businesses.
 

DanielBB8

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Disneyland park is closed. Disney, and more specifically their operations in Anaheim, are not.



This is why discourse is dead in politics. How about, as a thought exercise, you try to come up with a solution to help people that doesn't just parrot the idea of just reopening and pretending nothing is wrong. It shouldn't be so hard to compromise.
Reopening isn’t pretending nothing is wrong.
 

TP2000

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You have incredibly poor reading comprehension. A suggestion is not a demand.

I'm also bad at math. I will never be a Rhodes scholar, but I am pretty good at reading English. 🧐

El-super wants Disneyland to send CM's door to door in Santa Ana and west Anaheim to provide "life saving support".
I'm also surprised that Disneyland hasn't seen the writing on the wall and come in to assist with community outreach programs.... Assistance such as mask distribution, test facilitation and even just information campaigns (door to door or via phone) to ensure that Spanish speaking communities in Anaheim and Santa Ana were provided life saving support.

It would have kept some CMs employed and busy and looked much better in the community than whining that they should be allowed to open in a pandemic.

I find that ridiculous. That's not what a private business should be doing with their employees. Disneyland CM's should be working at Disneyland, just like CM's work currently at reopened Disneyland Paris and Walt Disney World. Not doing door to door canvassing passing out free medical supplies and health advice.
 

LastoneOn

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I'm also bad at math. I will never be a Rhodes scholar, but I am pretty good at reading English. 🧐

El-super wants Disneyland to send CM's door to door in Santa Ana and west Anaheim to provide "life saving support".


I find that ridiculous. That's not what a private business should be doing with their employees. Disneyland CM's should be working at Disneyland, just like CM's work currently at reopened Disneyland Paris and Walt Disney World. Not doing door to door canvassing passing out free medical supplies and health advice.
Communists governments force companies to do what gov wants everyday. That's why they're communists. We're arguing with a little coffee clatch of communists who really don't care about Disneyland, its employees, or any person really. They pretend to care but they don't.

The think about communists is that they never admit to any flaws in their ideology and scheme. When things go wrong, that's due to the people not doing enough, not wiling to do the work, not sacrificing themselves for some anonymous other who for some reason isn't expected to sacrifice HIMSELF. Its a shell game.
 

Anjin

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Original Poster
There actually is something that Disney can do and it's something that Walt himself has been invoked with in the past: propaganda. In WWII, Disney created a number of films to convince people to support the war effort. Disney could do the same, to convince people to work together to overcome our current enemy.
 

lazyboy97o

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Communists governments force companies to do what gov wants everyday. That's why they're communists. We're arguing with a little coffee clatch of communists who really don't care about Disneyland, its employees, or any person really. They pretend to care but they don't.

The think about communists is that they never admit to any flaws in their ideology and scheme. When things go wrong, that's due to the people not doing enough, not wiling to do the work, not sacrificing themselves for some anonymous other who for some reason isn't expected to sacrifice HIMSELF. Its a shell game.
I make Ron Swanson look like a communist, but do go on with the nonsense name calling.
 

lazyboy97o

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There actually is something that Disney can do and it's something that Walt himself has been invoked with in the past: propaganda. In WWII, Disney created a number of films to convince people to support the war effort. Disney could do the same, to convince people to work together to overcome our current enemy.
Nope. Only communists think companies should voluntarily engage in activities that will help with pandemic.
 

Lilofan

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Because its an independent charted government unit with various authority and powers and elected officials and wishes to retain its rights of governance and ability to shape its county based on its residents desires, instead of being discriminated against because they disagree with the governor who is relying on "emergency powers" to force his political ideology onto the state citizens without their vote for such things?

Here's a glimpse of what happens to people who won't or can't just "do the work"
Mao, A Great Leap Forward, 45 million killed
Hitler, 70-85 million
Stalin, 20 - 60 million
Pol Pot in Cambodia 1.7 million
North Korea 3 million
Ethiopia 2 million

So go along or die??

I'm probably wrong. No worries.
You really need to rephrase some of your wording. But you being a new member I understand.
 

el_super

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I honestly am not trying to pick on you personally, but I simply marvel at the lengths to which private businesses are supposed to go to in your perspective, aside from just offering the quality goods or services they are designed to offer.

Wow ok... maybe you really don't understand how Disneyland works. This isn't a radically new idea, and it's something that Disney has done for 30 years. Maybe you should read up on Disney's community involvement activities in Anaheim. Disney has spent millions of dollars supporting community activities in the City of Anaheim, or as they put it: "Through various programs, donations, and events, the Disneyland Resort supports the city of Anaheim in providing opportunities for residents to learn, play, achieve and thrive."

They have spent millions supporting community activities in Anaheim. So how exactly would it be any different if they spent some money to promote public health guidance? Provided some fliers or documents to pass around hard-hit neighborhoods in Anaheim? Explained the importance of getting tested and staying socially distant. Maybe passed out free masks? They already gave returning Cast Members a bag that included hand-sanitizer, masks and a thermometer. Why would it be that out of line to extend that to their neighbors?

Not only does it continue the story of Disneyland being a positive force in the community, but maybe if people actually took what they did to heart, Disneyland might actually be able to open sooner than next year. It's really a win-win for the community and Disneyland. How on earth could anyone be against it?

I know you will disagree with me, but I don't want to live in that world.

You already do.
 

el_super

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Communists governments force companies to do what gov wants everyday. That's why they're communists. We're arguing with a little coffee clatch of communists who really don't care about Disneyland, its employees, or any person really. They pretend to care but they don't.

The think about communists is that they never admit to any flaws in their ideology and scheme. When things go wrong, that's due to the people not doing enough, not wiling to do the work, not sacrificing themselves for some anonymous other who for some reason isn't expected to sacrifice HIMSELF. Its a shell game.

I think I agree, since this also seems like a prefect example of the OC leadership expecting Disneyland to open. Expecting others to sacrifice their health and safety all in the name of community economic well-being.
 

el_super

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I find that ridiculous. That's not what a private business should be doing with their employees. Disneyland CM's should be working at Disneyland, just like CM's work currently at reopened Disneyland Paris and Walt Disney World. Not doing door to door canvassing passing out free medical supplies and health advice.

There's a certain naivety in continually pushing the singular idea that all problems would be solved by Disneyland reopening.

You may remember that I said, back in June that reopening itself wasn't the hard part. That was echoing something I tried to community back in March: the return to normal will not happen until people feel safe to return to normal, and that is just as much about public perceptions as it is shelter-in-place orders. If people don't feel safe to travel, they will not travel, regardless of what is or is not open.

The perfect example of this now is Walt Disney World, where, with a 'business-friendly' government they are operating with no restrictions imposed on them. That push to be 'business-friendly' and put the economy first, has overall hurt Florida's image as being safe for tourists. WDW is operating at a fraction of their available capacity due to the lack of tourism in the state. They have laid off more people in Florida than they have at Disneyland.

The same will happen at Disneyland if people do not feel it is safe to return. Thankfully, the state's stringent guidelines for reopening promote a sense of taking this virus seriously and promoting safety over reopening. That is the key to maintaining the image as a safe travel destination and will be the key to continuing to attract out-of-state and international travelers in the future. People have to feel safe in order to return to Disneyland.

Waving a wand to remove restrictions does absolutely nothing to make people feel more safe and will do absolutely nothing to help Disneyland return to normal. There has to be more done, at the community level, to promote health and safety. Only after people feel we are taking this seriously, can they consider returning as a tourist.
 

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