OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

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flutas

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Curious Constance said:
A sort of comparison that always comes to my mind is prescription medications. New Prescription medications are prescribed to millions of people every day. A small percentage of the people that take these medications will have horribly adverse reactions to them. Some could die, have strokes, heart attacks, develop cancer, etc. But that doesn’t stop them from being prescribed by health professionals everywhere by the millions day in and day out. They know that the benefits received from the medications will far outweigh the negative effects. This is a case where a medical professional has to weigh two health outcomes and determine which is the lesser of two evils which is entirely in their wheelhouse to do. Prescribe and let no one gain the benefit of the medication to protect anyone from adverse effects or vice versa? But this situation is different medical professionals can’t weigh health outcomes to people losing jobs and becoming homeless, or kids falling behind in the entire country in school to the detriment to the future of the entire country, etc. That’s my concern, no one’s wheelhouse is equipped to weigh both and make logical decisions.
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I think another factor to think about with this comparison (it's actually a really good comparison) is that typically side effects will be known for the medicines, usually via trial runs of the medicine.

For COVID we don't necessarily know all the side effects. It could be there are no other ones that will come forward. It could come forward that (going over the top and exaggerating here) your brain will literally melt 3 years after contracting it. Instead of opening and saying let everyone get it, CA seems to be playing it safe and trying to delay reopening until there is a vaccine (which could also have issues).

What we don't want is another thalidomide issue at hand (be it from COVID itself or a vaccine).
(For those unaware, thalidomide was an anti-anxiety medicine mass marketed outside of the US [the FDA refused to approve it citing the need for further studies] that caused large amounts of birth defects.) [further reading (graphic warning)]
 
Tamandua

Tamandua

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TP2000 said:
As I remember, because the name is familiar, Dr. Hymel was the person Disney rolled out in 2015 to help explain the Measles outbreak at Disneyland due to all the kids who are no longer vaccinated in this country because Dr. Jenny McCarthy told 40 million Millennials not to vaccinate their children.

Dr. Jenny McCarthy also hosted a dating game show on MTV called Singled Out, but it's her tireless work in epidemiology that really deserves the credit. :rolleyes:
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She sounds like she shares some views with a certain California senator...
 
Darkbeer1

Darkbeer1

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DCBaker said:
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For those who need larger print...

A statement from Dr. Pamela Hymel, Chief Medical Officer, Disney Parks, Experiences and Products.

>>We absolutely reject the suggestion that reopening the Disneyland Resort is incompatible with a “health-first” approach. The fact is, that since March we have taken a robust science-based approach to responsibly reopening our parks and resorts across the globe. Our health and safety protocols were developed in consultation with epidemiologists and data scientists, and after considering guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and experts in local government and health agencies. All of our other theme parks both in the United States and around the world have been allowed to open on the strength of our proven ability to operate with responsible health and safety protocols.<<
 
Tamandua

Tamandua

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BuzzedPotatoHead89 said:
The reason for this “shift” might have something to do with the fact that California is going to need to go to Congress and make a plea for money as part of a future COVID relief package.

Even in a “best case scenario” and an infusion of financial/life support I’d bet even the more astute political leaders from the state of California including Leader Pelosi, the California House delegation, and a possibly a new VP-elect. I’m sure they’re undoubtedly going to feel pressure from several large CA-based companies to see to it that the state begin a truly robust, and dare I say “dynamic”, discussion about responsibly reopening the state’s economy.
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California has been pushing for a bailout for months, and yet they undermine their case constantly by forcing businesses to stay closed unnecessarily. I think they probably would have gotten a bailout if they had not been so draconian with the shutdowns, but now you're hearing congressional reps arguing against a bailout because it encourages these kinds of indefensible shutdowns. At this point it's getting really, really hard to defend the governor. I think in retrospect there's going to be a lot of criticism from all sides when the dust settles.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Mac Tonight said:
When this is all over, I think we deserve a 7-part Chernobyl-esque HBO miniseries about what really went on behind the scenes.
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No kidding.

Especially because it's clearly apparent no one had any idea how to deal with something like this. Not a big, rich liberal state like California or New York. Not a small, conservative state like Wyoming or Idaho. Not the Obama administration, nor the Trump administration. Not big cities like LA or New York, or small cities like Anaheim or Fresno. No D's, no R's, not even the New Socialists.

It would just be helpful if we could all admit that no one in the last 50 years had any plan for this. No one. Ever.
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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TP2000 said:
No kidding.

Especially because it's clearly apparent no one had any idea how to deal with something like this. Not a big, rich liberal state like California or New York. Not a small, conservative state like Wyoming or Idaho. Not the Obama administration, nor the Trump administration. Not big cities like LA or New York, or small cities like Anaheim or Fresno. No D's, no R's, not even the New Socialists.

It would just be helpful if we could all admit that no one in the last 50 years had any plan for this. No one. Ever.
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I think that should be the tagline: “2020... We just don’t know.”
 
el_super

el_super

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Sharon&Susan said:
With how crazy 2020 has been I expect that if there aren't any reopening plans, Disney will do a "HK DL" and purposely leak that they've had discussions with other states related to theme parks to try to get a better deal with the guidelines.
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It will do absolutely no good. Disney has expended all their political capital at this point. Without the public on their side, they will end up risking their brand image if they keep pushing against safety measures that are, still fairly popular.
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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Hot off the presses... (sorry, @Darkbeer1 )

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TP2000

TP2000

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George Lucas on a Bench said:
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A nice reminder that the Anaheim Convention Center is still closed, and convention centers are even more unknown if and when they may ever be able to reopen in California.

The Anaheim Convention Center is the largest center on the West Coast and hosts some of America's largest conventions. At 1.6 Million square feet, it is the 4th largest convention center in America, behind Chicago, Las Vegas and Orlando.

Needless to say, it generated a huge amount of hotel and dining business for the Anaheim Resort District. The giant convention hotels next door, the Hilton, etc. remain closed right now.
 
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*puts on tinfoil hat*

I'm calling BS on Disney. If Disneyland and the amusement park associations are so sure that the government has it wrong then be transparent and show Californians which sections of the proposed guidelines they disagree with. I dare them. My guess is that the new rules aren't as unreasonable as their performative public statements claim they are.

*removes tinfoil hat*
 
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