OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

lazyboy97o

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As a medical professional, it’s the same data 🤷🏻‍♀️
That’s my point. Survival rate keeps being brought up as some big secret being suppressed to keep people scared. Why are doctors and medical professionals still concerned if they know that data? I was at a pediatric hospital this week and they seemed just as concerned about the virus even though “kids don’t get it” and/or “kids will be fine.”
 

Mac Tonight

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That’s my point. Survival rate keeps being brought up as some big secret being suppressed to keep people scared. Why are doctors and medical professionals still concerned if they know that data? I was at a pediatric hospital this week and they seemed just as concerned about the virus even though “kids don’t get it” and/or “kids will be fine.”
How do you know they all are?? My Father-in-Law is a respiratory therapist at a major hospital in the valley and his wife works at Holy Cross. Both have seen their staffing reduced due to there not being enough critical patients, and frankly, both are beyond fed up with Newsom.
 

Stevek

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Me too. I think I'll actually drive over to Arizona, as I've been curious to see what Phoenix is like now. I haven't been there in many years. Although, if the Vegas casinos do run Covid Vaccine promotions, I'd be interested just for the fun of that.
Not a big fan of Phoenix. I'd much rather spend some time in Flagstaff.
 

Curious Constance

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That’s my point. Survival rate keeps being brought up as some big secret being suppressed to keep people scared. Why are doctors and medical professionals still concerned if they know that data? I was at a pediatric hospital this week and they seemed just as concerned about the virus even though “kids don’t get it” and/or “kids will be fine.”
I’m probably going to regret this, but aren’t medical professionals sort of required to be concerned about anything health related spreading in a country? I’m sure medical professionals are also concerned about the spread of any disease or virus. And they may be 100% justified in their concerns. Why shouldn’t they be concerned about something that could cause even anyone harm? But medical professionals don’t get paid to consider or weigh health concerns vs any other real life impacts happening from closures of businesses or schools, do they? Who gets to decide if having the education basically taken away from every child is better or worse than the death percentages or outcomes of the disease?
 

Curious Constance

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A sort of comparison that always comes to my mind is prescription medications. New Prescription medications are prescribed to millions of people every day. A small percentage of the people that take these medications will have horribly adverse reactions to them. Some could die, have strokes, heart attacks, develop cancer, etc. But that doesn’t stop them from being prescribed by health professionals everywhere by the millions day in and day out. They know that the benefits received from the medications will far outweigh the negative effects. This is a case where a medical professional has to weigh two health outcomes and determine which is the lesser of two evils which is entirely in their wheelhouse to do. Prescribe and let no one gain the benefit of the medication to protect anyone from adverse effects or vice versa? But this situation is different medical professionals can’t weigh health outcomes to people losing jobs and becoming homeless, or kids falling behind in the entire country in school to the detriment to the future of the entire country, etc. That’s my concern, no one’s wheelhouse is equipped to weigh both and make logical decisions.
 

lazyboy97o

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How do you know they all are?? My Father-in-Law is a respiratory therapist at a major hospital in the valley and his wife works at Holy Cross. Both have seen their staffing reduced due to there not being enough critical patients, and frankly, both are beyond fed up with Newsom.
You might have a point if I ever said "all".
I’m probably going to regret this, but aren’t medical professionals sort of required to be concerned about anything health related spreading in a country? I’m sure medical professionals are also concerned about the spread of any disease or virus. And they may be 100% justified in their concerns. Why shouldn’t they be concerned about something that could cause even anyone harm? But medical professionals don’t get paid to consider or weigh health concerns vs any other real life impacts happening from closures of businesses or schools, do they? Who gets to decide if having the education basically taken away from every child is better or worse than the death percentages or outcomes of the disease?
When was the last time you saw a medical professional express concern about plague in the US? I'm guessing you have not because medical professionals realize that a few cases a year is not an issue that requires a huge response. There might be some contact tracing but that'd be about it. Medical professionals are aware that different things have different risks and that it doesn't make sense to focus on something small. And yes, there is a part of medicine that deals with considering and weighing health concerns against other aspects of life, its the field of public health.
A sort of comparison that always comes to my mind is prescription medications. New Prescription medications are prescribed to millions of people every day. A small percentage of the people that take these medications will have horribly adverse reactions to them. Some could die, have strokes, heart attacks, develop cancer, etc. But that doesn’t stop them from being prescribed by health professionals everywhere by the millions day in and day out. They know that the benefits received from the medications will far outweigh the negative effects. This is a case where a medical professional has to weigh two health outcomes and determine which is the lesser of two evils which is entirely in their wheelhouse to do. Prescribe and let no one gain the benefit of the medication to protect anyone from adverse effects or vice versa? But this situation is different medical professionals can’t weigh health outcomes to people losing jobs and becoming homeless, or kids falling behind in the entire country in school to the detriment to the future of the entire country, etc. That’s my concern, no one’s wheelhouse is equipped to weigh both and make logical decisions.
A prescription drug that became the third leading cause of death in less than a year would absolutely be recalled. One of the vaccine trials was paused because one person, one single person out of thousands, was reporting a potentially serious side effect that, if it had been a side effect, apparently had the potential to kill the vaccine's chances of approval.
 

Mac Tonight

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You might have a point if I ever said "all".

When was the last time you saw a medical professional express concern about plague in the US? I'm guessing you have not because medical professionals realize that a few cases a year is not an issue that requires a huge response. There might be some contact tracing but that'd be about it. Medical professionals are aware that different things have different risks and that it doesn't make sense to focus on something small. And yes, there is a part of medicine that deals with considering and weighing health concerns against other aspects of life, its the field of public health.

A prescription drug that became the third leading cause of death in less than a year would absolutely be recalled. One of the vaccine trials was paused because one person, one single person out of thousands, was reporting a potentially serious side effect that, if it had been a side effect, apparently had the potential to kill the vaccine's chances of approval.
I feel like that's the best I'll ever get out of you, so I'll take it.
 

Darkbeer1

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>>“We find it disconcerting that Governor Newsom has no planned timeline for issuing guidance for theme parks, and of great concern that he does not anticipate theme parks opening soon," CAPA executive director Erin Guerrero, said in a statement. "Each day that parks are closed further decimates the amusement park industry. The Governor’s 'no big rush' approach is ruining businesses and livelihoods for thousands who could responsibly be back at work."

Guerrero continued, “When the Newsom Administration agreed not to finalize draft guidance that was floated last week, the governor’s staff committed to work with the theme park industry. We hoped their commitment to working with us was genuine, that we’d finally work diligently and collaboratively on guidance to allow amusement parks to responsibly reopen within a reasonable timeframe. We agree that science and data should guide safety decisions, but keeping amusement parks closed indefinitely when there are no known outbreaks being traced back to reopened amusement parks worldwide is unreasonable."<<
 

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