wedenterprises
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Painted flats? Doesn't surprise me. While New Fantasyland definitely has it's upside, this does not inspire any confidence:
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msteel
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OK, suppose for a minute that they do build Cars Land in Florida, and they majorly cheap out on it. Would it be even a moderate success, or would it be a flop?
If it is a flop, they should have no option but to conclude that it is the cheapness and the cost-cutting that destroyed it, right? After all the concept was successful beyond their wildest dreams in California. What else could make a big enough difference besides the execution?
On the other hand, if they cheap out and does not flop, then they will conclude that cost cutting is a successful way to continue running the business in Florida.
If it is a flop, they should have no option but to conclude that it is the cheapness and the cost-cutting that destroyed it, right? After all the concept was successful beyond their wildest dreams in California. What else could make a big enough difference besides the execution?
On the other hand, if they cheap out and does not flop, then they will conclude that cost cutting is a successful way to continue running the business in Florida.
menamechris
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Painted flats instead of rockwork. Wow. SO we have an insanely detailed and beautiful environment in the Fantasyland expansion - but they think that a cheap Six Flags method of saving money will work for DHS. Seriously - if they do this - the environment will not be any better than Six Flags in that park...
Lee
Adventurer
I giggle at your use of the word "may" there.
I would say that they "are" pursuing the lesser version, and "may" end up going that route (66).
Lee
Adventurer
Oh, he is well aware of the situation.
I don't think he will try to stop it, but rather will continue to express his opinion.
He technically doesn't have the "power" to stop such things, but he does have considerable clout to bargain with, if he so chooses.
Maybe we should call him. Who has his number...
Gregoryp73
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Alektronic
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I remember when I first heard that term, that is in1997 at Animal Kingdom and that was phrased many times by WDI. "This is our Value Engineered Scene" etc.
TalkingHead
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How would the "studios" theme even work for the ride? The park has been moving away from the faux-soundstage crap for over a decade. But I shouldn't be surprised. If it justifies the cheapo version, I'm sure management would be happy to resurrect the working-studio line.
Oh, and when Spirit initially mentioned the possibility of Cars Land at DHS, how many of us predicted this precise scenario? Going cheap on the rocks, not offering the full Radiator Springs, etc?
A lot of us predicted it.
Don't you just love when Disney meets your lowered expectations?
Oh, and when Spirit initially mentioned the possibility of Cars Land at DHS, how many of us predicted this precise scenario? Going cheap on the rocks, not offering the full Radiator Springs, etc?
A lot of us predicted it.
Don't you just love when Disney meets your lowered expectations?
PhilharMagician
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Truth.
TDO was initially pitched the full version.
They said "Yes, we need that! But..."
Then the trimming started. Slice out one attraction....cut out the dining..."value engineer" the rock work...
Pretty soon it'll be painted flats and one of these bad boys:
Yes, but it will have Fastpass and you can book your ride 6 months out.
Gregoryp73
Active Member
Value engineering=half day park
Captain Neo
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Every exec at TDO should be fired. Where is Tom Staggs in all of this? Does he just not give a s*** or what? I know for a fact he has been to Harry Potter land with Iger and he has spoken with Lasseter and James Cameron. He even revised the fantasyland project in an attempt to salvage it. How can he be blind to what is going and what is going to happen if they continue to value engineer at WDW?
And while I sometimes find the constant Universal Studios comparisons annoying, I think here it is very fitting. One thing that I did not like that much about their studios park when I was there for the first time last year was that a lot of it seemed to be just facades. Of course it fits with a studios theme. But still an empty building is much less attractive than an occupied one. Sunset Boulevard and Hollywood Boulevard at DHS work because there is life in those buildings (even if it is only shops). I missed that at USO. So when I heard about them adding London from Harry Potter I was excited also because they were going to add more than just fronts (at least that's what one would expect after the experience with the WWoHP at IoA). I can't understand why Disney choses to go with the lesser product while Universal is opting for the more inclusive one.
Cardboard fronts remind me of the Walt Disney Studios Paris - the ugliest park that has Disney in its name. It really should not be used as an example for any other park - Disney or not!!
Cardboard fronts remind me of the Walt Disney Studios Paris - the ugliest park that has Disney in its name. It really should not be used as an example for any other park - Disney or not!!
John
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SO lets get all this straight.....no rock work....rides being cut....no dining.....Cars land? Now you know why I have been saying all along that I wasnt going to get psyched about any of it. My hope is they just dont build any of it. Who wants to go and see that? Think to yourself...."what could have been" You know why they will do this?...because they can and people will go in droves to see it. They will give you free food to get you to see it.
Does this news really give you any faith about AvLand, Frontierland, DTD? Forget it. I am not going to get to low over this, just like I am not going to get to high over any other rumor.
Does this news really give you any faith about AvLand, Frontierland, DTD? Forget it. I am not going to get to low over this, just like I am not going to get to high over any other rumor.
SirLink
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The Fantasyland project there are two tales being told on the internet:
1) Tom Staggs ordered the M+Gs cancelled as it was not enough for boys.
2)Ops said the M+G's were unworkable, and the expansion had to be changed.
Lee
Adventurer
Both were factors.
Captain Chaos
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I'm shocked they didn't put it into Universe of Energy... Can you imagine the huge show scenes and the message of Unobtanium being Earth's new source of energy? Of course, the attraction wouldn't be complete without scary AA's of Sigorney Weaver and the Na'vi.... Bill Nye would make a special appearance somewhere too...
Captain Chaos
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Agh, so they valued engineered Beastly Kingdomme... Got it... Term should be devalued engineered...
Captain Chaos
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One thing you wouldn't see Universal do with Potter is cardboard cut outs of any Diagon Alley or London facades... But, I see plenty of card board cut outs at Six Flags... (that should get fanboi blood boiling)...