Not good but saw it coming

[peter11435]

but statistically, it has made more people sick than any other WDW attraction.

This is true. But making people sick and being dangerous are two entirely different things.

 

[mitchjs]

statistics, you can prove anything with them, 40% of the people know that



mitch

 

[csaribay]

This is true. But making people sick and being dangerous are two entirely different things.

As I said in my post- the use of "hazardous" in the article is definitely not NPOV, and at best, is hearsay. There's no scientific evidence to prove otherwise, which is my contention with GothMickey's posts. These posts state clear fact, but then a bunch of opinion is thrown in the same way, as if it too, were fact.

People get sick by flying on planes. Doesn't make them particularly unsafe.

 

[GothMickey]

Did "the numbers" write the article? Did "the numbers" say it was ...'the most hazardous ride in WDW'?"

An unbiased reporter would state the facts, and the facts only. To add in the phrase 'the most hazardous ride in WDW' makes it a dubious distinction. If they wanted to write it that way, maybe it should be on the editorial page. What happened to just printing the facts and letting the readers decide if the ride is "hazardous?" But, I guess as long as it supports your agenda, you are happy with it.

And, if you didn't know, most of the locals in Orlando call the paper the Orlando Slantinel.

Analogy time...

JetBlue Airlines has 10 crashes a year... Continental 2 and Delta 3.. These are reported in a newspaper by the reporter... What would you conclude?? That the reporter has a bug up his/her butt about JetBlue or that JetBlue may be the most hazardous airline??? Of course these numbers are factious and i am making this up.. But this is the same thing here..

There reporters reported the numbers.. More people complain about illness or sickness from M:S than any other attraction... They reported FACTUAL numbers... They weren't made up.. Therefore the article is not biased.. So, a person can conclude that M:S may just be the most hazardous to your health attraction... And really, Orlando would not be as big as it is now without Disney.. You honestly think Orlando Sentinel will publish untrue articles about Disney?? If this article is so biased Disney can sue for liable.. Bet they don't.. Why? Cause they only reported the facts.. So now are you going to bash them too?? That my friend is sad...

 

[GothMickey]

As I said in my post- the use of "hazardous" in the article is definitely not NPOV, and at best, is hearsay. There's no scientific evidence to prove otherwise, which is my contention with GothMickey's posts. These posts state clear fact, but then a bunch of opinion is thrown in the same way, as if it too, were fact.

People get sick by flying on planes. Doesn't make them particularly unsafe.

yes Csaribay, my posts state facts as well as my opinions and by no means do intend my opinions to be fact.. I take the facts and then state my opinion based on the facts... Just as everyone else does...

 

[kiawahman]

my sympathies, but based on those small stats, a 10 mil. dollar ride is not going to shut down or be replaced.....it would take a LOT more than a couple of deaths.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Did the "reporter" write: "This is the 4th crash for Jet Blue this year." Or: "This is the 4th crash for Jet Blue this year, making it the most hazardous airline to fly."

A HUGE difference in wording! The first wording states the fact. The second sensationalizes it, and infers the "fact" that Jet Blue is the "most hazardous" airline to fly. And you can reasonably assume that the reader is nodding his head up and down agreeing.

I have no problem with reporting the facts: 2 deaths, 143 (or 10, or whatever) people sick. Saying that Mission:Space is "the most hazardous ride" at Walt Disney World is inferring that Misson:Space literally came off it's moorings, smashed into both people, flattening and killing them. It did not. The two deaths were a result of riding the ride. Nothing more.

If two people died while riding a WDW bus. would that story say, "The Walt Disney World bus transportation system is the most hazardous transportation system in all of WDW?"

Anyone not "intimately" knowledgeable about the accident (IE: reading it on a WDW fan message board), would absolutely agree with the article. Why? Because they were "told" it was "the most hazardous ride.."

The Orlando Sentinel indeed stretches the truth about Disney. Go back and read some threads about Disney's Magical Express. Go back and read some articles that the Slantinel published about Disney. A newspaper like the Slantinel has an agenda against Disney, but it's not worth the time and effort by Disney to sue them.

I understood what GothMickey was saying and I understand what you are saying. You both make your point based on the side you are on. This is called spinning. Bill O'Reilly is great for spinning facts to back up his opinions. Politicians and media reporters are great at doing this. But one thing I disagree with is that suing the Orlando Sentinel and it not being worth Disney's time. If these articles were so untrue, it is worth the time to sue. Companies and people sue media all the time for liable. If the articles were so slanderous and false, Disney would sue. Or is it that Disney is afraid to take on big media and only comes after little websites that post things Disney does not like? And one more thing, you now seem to be picking on the Orlando Sentinel for bringing to light the problem called M:S. When is this going to stop with the M:S supports?? If the Orlando Sentinel wrote An article saying how bad Stitch's Great Escape is you all would say how much of a wonderful piece of journalism it was. But since it rips apart your most beloved attraction, you rip the newspaper too, just as you rip the people on here who don't agree with you..

 

[Iakona]

If these articles were so untrue, it is worth the time to sue. Companies and people sue media all the time for liable. If the articles were so slanderous and false, Disney would sue. Or is it that Disney is afraid to take on big media and only comes after little websites that post things Disney does not like? And one more thing, you now seem to be picking on the Orlando Sentinel for bringing to light the problem called M:S. When is this going to stop with the M:S supports?? If the Orlando Sentinel wrote An article saying how bad Stitch's Great Escape is you all would say how much of a wonderful piece of journalism it was. But since it rips apart your most beloved attraction, you rip the newspaper too, just as you rip the people on here who don't agree with you..

Why would Disney sue the Sentinel? All it would accomplish is keeping this in the news longer. Libel is very difficult to prove. Besides, what are they going to argue, No, MS is not the most hazardous ride, IASW is much more hazardous." Naming any other ride as more hazardous would be ridiculous and that is what they would have to do if they sued. Disney will make limited public statements and ride out the media storm. They are in a no-win situation if a newspaper decides to "slant" their articles.

By the way, we ride MS, we love it. My wife and I also tried the simulator at the Astronaut Hall of Fame. Much faster (about 3 Gs) and neither of us would ever do it again even though we will do MS multiple times when we return to WDW.

 

[Captain Chaos]

You'll have to ask Disney that. I cannot answer that question for them.



Would I? Or would it depend on how the article was written? Writing an article "third hand," by taking peoples' opinions and writing a newspaper article is one thing. Actually getting on the ride, or experiencing the attraction firsthand and writing a "narriative (IE: Stitch's Great Escape) is another.

Where did I say at any time that Mission:Space is "my beloved attraction?" :veryconfu

Where am I "ripping on the people that do not agree with me?"

So it has boiled down to because I (and those who disagree with those that Disney is at fault), that we are "ripping on the people that disagree with us." Where have I "ripped" on anyone ? What people forget on internet message board forums is that a difference of opinion is not "ripping on someone." It is a debate. If you do not know how to debate, it is not my fault.

With that, I am done with this thead, since I will not continue because I am "ripping" on people.

Like GothMickey did??? :lol:

 

[Captain Chaos]

By the way, we ride MS, we love it. My wife and I also tried the simulator at the Astronaut Hall of Fame. Much faster (about 3 Gs) and neither of us would ever do it again even though we will do MS multiple times when we return to WDW.

Have fun riding it.. You are free to.. Your choice and that is fine... I choose not to.. And again, not because I am afraid to die on or from this attraction... But because I did not enjoy it... I am more afraid of dying in a plane crash (that is why I am afraid to fly) than dying on or from a Disney attraction....

But now that the preliminary autopsy results are in, it seems M:S was not the direct cause of her death... The Medical Examiner said she did have high blood pressure... In this case, I will agree with the rest of you that she should have heeded the warning signs about not riding M:S with having high blood pressure...

 

[Iakona]

Have fun riding it.. You are free to.. Your choice and that is fine... I choose not to.. And again, not because I am afraid to die on or from this attraction... But because I did not enjoy it... I am more afraid of dying in a plane crash (that is why I am afraid to fly) than dying on or from a Disney attraction...

Funny, my wife HATES to fly, but loves MS. To each their own. I have no arguement with people that don't want to ride for whatever their reason.

But now that the preliminary autopsy results are in, it seems M:S was not the direct cause of her death... The Medical Examiner said she did have high blood pressure... In this case, I will agree with the rest of you that she should have heeded the warning signs about not riding M:S with having high blood pressure...

Interestingly the article even said "severe, long standing high blood pressure."
Regardless, anyone passing away, especially in WDW, is sad. I am not going to sit in judgement of someone I never met.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Funny, my wife HATES to fly, but loves MS. To each their own. I have no arguement with people that don't want to ride for whatever their reason.

It sucks not being able to fly... I wish I could... I just found it weird that I was able to go on M:S with no problems and SOarin wiht no problems but I cannot take a plane flight... Go figure.

 

[AngryEyes]

The $100 million ride, one of Disney World's most popular, was also closed in June after the death of a 4-year-old boy who passed out while aboard. An autopsy concluded he died of a heart condition that a medical examiner said can cause sudden death in stressful situations.

This is a direct quote from the article on CNN.COM. Let me analyze this...

1. A person can conclude, after this statement from the M.E. that the pre-existing condition was the cause of death.

True. It does say he died of a heart condition.

2. The condition was aggravated by a stressful situation/event correct?? This was the words of the Medical Examiner not me...

Am I having trouble with my reading comprehension? Where does the ME say the condition was aggravated by a stressful situation? "Can cause" and "Did cause" are two entirely different things. I realize this is splitting hairs, but if you're going to quote something to 'prove' a point, at least quote something that actually proves your point.

BTW, I think the most dangerous ride is Primeval Whirl. It really wrenched my back the first time I rode it and I had no pre-existing condition. I think it should be closed.

 

[Tigggrl]

If you guys think Mission: Space is bad, you dont EVEN wanna ride the Log ride at Knotts Berry Farm.........Thats alll I am sayin!:zipit:

 

[Iakona]

It sucks not being able to fly... I wish I could... I just found it weird that I was able to go on M:S with no problems and SOarin wiht no problems but I cannot take a plane flight... Go figure.

Luckily she will fly, but she usually needs a week between flights.
Unfortunately this means no Star Wars weekend for her. My son and I will go.

 

[AMartin767]

You do not believe M:S was the cause, but it was responsible for agrivating a condition? I guess they send out a CM to personally every person to get on a ride. Walking out into the SUN agrivates many conditions. Should Disney be responsible for the people that don't wear enough sun screen and then get sick in the park?

Society needs to stop looking for scapegoats and blaming others. Take personal responsibility for personal choices!

EDIT: I see you edited your post... so I think the addition makes it clear WHY you made your points.

Actually, I said it apparently is aggrivating pre-existing conditions. My edit was purely for clarification purposes and yes, I believe that Horizons was a far superior attraction to MS. You cite a quote that shows my obvious bias toward Horizons as evidence of my obvious bias toward Horizons ... how very perceptive of you.

 

[wannab@dis]

Actually, I said it apparently is aggrivating pre-existing conditions. My edit was purely for clarification purposes and yes, I believe that Horizons was a far superior attraction to MS. You cite a quote that shows my obvious bias toward Horizons as evidence of my obvious bias toward Horizons ... how very perceptive of you.

Your post had nothing concerning Horizons until after your edit. Your edit, however, showed why your post should be taken with even less significance.

 

[GothMickey]

I got to thinking about all these stinking M:S threads.. Seriosuly, how many do we need??? There is only one thing that came of this... Half of us like the ride, half of us hate it... A quarter of us that hate it want it closed.. the other three quarters don't care what they do with the ride we just won't ride it..

Let's all just take a deep breath, realize we agree to disagree about this ride, and let's finally move on... The ride isn't shutting.... Like it or not...

 

[wannab@dis]

I got to thinking about all these stinking M:S threads.. Seriosuly, how many do we need??? There is only one thing that came of this... Half of us like the ride, half of us hate it... A quarter of us that hate it want it closed.. the other three quarters don't care what they do with the ride we just won't ride it..

Let's all just take a deep breath, realize we agree to disagree about this ride, and let's finally move on... The ride isn't shutting.... Like it or not...

hmm... Scary thought here... you're right. I guess there's a first for everything.

The funny thing here is this... if they announced tomorrow that M:S would be closed down and replaced... I wouldn't really care. If the powers that be figure it's time for a change, then so be it. The difference is this... I'm not on some agenda to get it closed for the wrong reasons nor am I spreading mis-truths about the attraction.

 

[GothMickey]

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