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Not good but saw it coming
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ofquietstars
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I love when people say Horizons was outdated. So, you're dining in undersea resorts and living in space? Wow.DMC-12 said:
Anyway. Sorry to hear about this woman's death.
Timmay
Well-Known Member
ISTCNavigator57 said:
Well, I would say that more people than that got sick on it...I know I did the first time.
It is only 143 that sought medical attention...so that .00168% still is very very small. I am not sure how many other people have sought medical attention after riding TOT or RnR or whatever else...but the people throwing around terms like "countless" and "hundreds" probably have no interest in what the numbers for other rides are.
ToTBellHop
Well-Known Member
well I don't really qualify dizzy as getting sick...people can get dizzy on anything that spins, but that doesn't mean we need to close the Mad Tea Party and the Astro Orbitor. They are designed to make you a LITTLE dizzy. I would count, instead, people who have thrown up...so maybe 1000, though I doubt even that--1 person a day seems a bit high. I think more people puke after trying beverly at Club Cool...Timmay said:
So maybe 0.004% of people get sick on MS. Still exceptionally low odds. I've certainly seen more than 1 person puke after RnRC.
GothMickey
Active Member
Timmay said:
I do not like M:S for the fact that I did not enjoy it, has nothing to do with getting sick on it, these deaths, or me hating thrill rides... I did not like M:S... I do not ever state that Disney should shut down a ride I do not like.. i simply do not ride it again.... This case is different.. People are getting sick from this ride and now 2 deaths in 2 and a half years.. I am not calling for a closure of the ride.. All I am saying is that we cannot hold Disney unresponsible for any of these deaths or sicknesses.... The ride had some sort of effect on hundreds of people.. That number is way too high in 2 years of operation... Something is wrong with the ride, something is not right, and Disney needs to fix it.... If that means closing it then fine.. i won't cry if it is shut.. but I won't cry if it is kept open... I simply will choose not to ride, just as you will choose to ride...
GothMickey
Active Member
Here ya go.. Disney dropped the ball big time on M:S.. proof is here...
http://www.wesh.com/news/4614321/detail.html
Seems in my last bold highlight even Disney admnits M:S is a failure and a problem...
http://www.wesh.com/news/4614321/detail.html
Seems in my last bold highlight even Disney admnits M:S is a failure and a problem...
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
You just won't quit, huh?GothMickey said:
Where does Disney "admit M:S is a failure and a problem"? Quit making such claims that you have zero knowledge about. This whole ETC lawsuit is old news and was instigated BY ETC because Disney wanted to clone the attraction. ETC did not live up to the contractual agreement and Disney severed the agreement. This claim by ETC is a self-serving attempt to gain headlines.
peter11435
Well-Known Member
The judge has since thrown out all of ETC’s safety allegations against Disney. There was no substance to them whatsoever. ETC simply used safety to gain publicity for their attempt to get more money.GothMickey said:
Disney's counter suit had nothing to do with them being unhappy with the M:S product but rather that they were unhappy with ETC performance on the project. Thus why they finished it on their own.
wannab@dis
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By the way... there's something extremely interesting in the thread statistics... yet you claim to have no agenda? You have more than 3 times the number of posts in this thread than anyone.
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GothMickey 51
Timmay 16
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GothMickey 51
Timmay 16
GothMickey
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wannab@dis said:
Cause I respond to each post one by one... Why don't you go back and check that out... You on the other hand I can say has an agenda on making these boards full of people who agree with you.... Well, that is not what a message board is supposed to be about.. We can all have our opinions, lik,e and dislikes, and we can all disagree.. But some people here right away bash those who do not agree with them like everyone here bashing those of us who think this ride is a failure for Disney and a major problem for people's health... I am not pushing any agenda.. Simply responding to one post at a time instead of making one large post of several quotes... I would think you could have figured that one out.
dimebagdarrel
New Member
Does that make their arguments any less valid? It seems that ETC's allegations are starting to become a reality...even if the courts found otherwise...
Thessair
Well-Known Member
First of all, I’m not an apologist. I wanted to get that out of the way even though I imagine I’ll get labeled one in a minute or two.
This article does raise some concerns, but I don’t see an indication that anyone is admitting the entire ride is a failure or a problem. I imagine, since ETC has "years of experience with human centrifuge systems", they were probably more concerned with mechanical failure and not any affects caused by the centrifuge. If the ride system was inherently dangerous, they’d be out of a job.
Performance issues? Yes. M:S, or at least some segment of it, is down a pretty decent chunk of time (or so it seems when I’m there). Just because ETC didn’t get to run their final checks, it doesn’t mean that no one did. The State has signed off on the ride more than once and I’d imagine they aren’t just giving it a cursory glance. I work with inspectors here in Florida for many professions and most of them are pretty relentless when it comes to public safety. Having said that, I do think that maybe M:S operation should be suspended and the ride subjected to inspection by some independent third party. As the article states:
"ETC also has a financial agenda."
So I don’t think ETC qualifies at the moment. Centrifuge technology seems to really hit some people the wrong way and it’s always better to be safe. In the long run, I don’t think M:S will be permanently shelved. Changed? Most likely. Personally, I love the ride, but having something in the parks that people legitimately fear (I’m scared of ToT, but that’s a whole different story) is not a good thing.
Edit: And there were a stack of replies while I was churning this out... Feel free to ignore me.
This article does raise some concerns, but I don’t see an indication that anyone is admitting the entire ride is a failure or a problem. I imagine, since ETC has "years of experience with human centrifuge systems", they were probably more concerned with mechanical failure and not any affects caused by the centrifuge. If the ride system was inherently dangerous, they’d be out of a job.
Performance issues? Yes. M:S, or at least some segment of it, is down a pretty decent chunk of time (or so it seems when I’m there). Just because ETC didn’t get to run their final checks, it doesn’t mean that no one did. The State has signed off on the ride more than once and I’d imagine they aren’t just giving it a cursory glance. I work with inspectors here in Florida for many professions and most of them are pretty relentless when it comes to public safety. Having said that, I do think that maybe M:S operation should be suspended and the ride subjected to inspection by some independent third party. As the article states:
"ETC also has a financial agenda."
So I don’t think ETC qualifies at the moment. Centrifuge technology seems to really hit some people the wrong way and it’s always better to be safe. In the long run, I don’t think M:S will be permanently shelved. Changed? Most likely. Personally, I love the ride, but having something in the parks that people legitimately fear (I’m scared of ToT, but that’s a whole different story) is not a good thing.
Edit: And there were a stack of replies while I was churning this out... Feel free to ignore me.
DMC-12
It's HarmonioUS, NOT HarmoniYOU.
GothMickey said:
Ah yes... the ETC lawsuit. Let me shed some light on that for ya. :wave:
ETC was running way behind schedule on the centrifuge installs. THEY (ETC) were then in breach of contract, at that point. So... The contract was breached, and Disney cancelled any or all future work with them (including but not limited to possible clone installs in other Disney parks around the world) and finished the work themselves.
ETC was LIVID... and decided to attack Disney, and bad mouth them and attack them very publicly from this alleged safety angle. :wave:
GothMickey
Active Member
peter11435 said:
And you think Disney's Imagineers were fully capable of building a cenerfuge when they have no experience in building them??? That is why Eisner contratced a company with that experience and with Disney not allowing experts to test and build it, Disney failed... sorry...
peter11435
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Your making accusation you have no proof of. Saying Disney failed is absurd. Because for all intents and purposes Mission: Space is a safe ride that has never malfunctioned.GothMickey said:
GothMickey
Active Member
DMC-12 said:
Ok, so what to disney is more important.. Run behind schedule and have experts test the ride to make sure it is safe or speed up production with people not experienced in building certerfuges and opening the attraction on time thus raising the risk of a dangerous attraction opening???? I would have persoanlly rather Disney spend a little while longer and let the experts build a ride that may have been more safe... Guess we will never know what the outcome would have been if ETC got to test and finish everything.. but to this point, M:S has been a cause of problems for people... And that there lies the issue...
GothMickey
Active Member
dxwwf3 said:
LoL.. more comedy to lighten the mood... Thanks we need that around here.
peter11435
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dimebagdarrel said:
How so? Up to now there is no proof that M:S is not safe.