Not good but saw it coming

kcnole

kcnole

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I love Disney more than anything else except for my wife. I think Disney needs to take a long hard look at this ride and not just re-open it because it was operating properly. I'm not saying that it should be closed down. However, 2 people have died within less than a years time. That's serious enough to consider deeply.

The ride has had a hand in both of these deaths. It may be a small hand, but it has some hand in it. Yes, there are signs and warnings all over the ride, however we need to keep this in mind. I don't remember the legal term for it, but it's a form of negligence.

I remember a court case from a while back where a man had gone into a bathroom that had a do not enter sign on it and tossed a cigarette into the toilet. Unbeknowest to him, the toilet had some form of gaseous liquid in it that had been dumped into it while remodeling it. Now, he entered the bathroom and violated the warnings of the gas station, however it was argued that no one would ever reasonably think that violating that warning could cause a violent explosion.

I have never once saw a ride, seen a warning and ever considered that death might be at the result of me ignoring the warning. I don't think your average consumer ever would. How many times has going on a ride ever left a thought that you might die by going on it. The worst I considered when I saw the signs was that I might get very very sick. If I went on the ride and got very sick, then there'd be no one to blame but myself.

You put those two together and hopefully the point Im trying to make stands out. I'm not sure if it does or not. If Disney plans on keeping the ride running they need to do a better job of letting people know that if they don't meet the ride specifications that it could be very dangerous in more than a throwing up kind of way. They realize that many of their guests do not speak English. They need to find a way to let their guests know.

I know there are tons of signs, but no one would ever think that if they ignored that warning that they could die. Most would just think they'd possibly get real sick and that's a risk they are willing to take. Those signs are over all kinds of rides that would never exascerbate a situation enough to kill someone. I think Disney's biggest negligence is that they haven't expressed exactly how dangerous it can be if you don't meet those specifications. Some people are willing to risk nauseau and ignore those warnings, they probably wouldn't risk death.
 
GothMickey

GothMickey

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totodog said:
Do you also hold Pirates of the Carribean responsible for "aggravating" a 77-year old woman's condition that led to her death? Do you hold Tower of Terror responsible for "aggravating" a 16 year olds condition that stopped her heart? It's fine if you do. But it shouldn't be a basis on which to close the ride.
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Ok, that 77 year old woman, as was stated by family and doctors, was on medication for a health ailment and SHE did not take her medicine that day... Which was more than likely the contributing cause of her death... Different situation... Can't compare it...

And as much as I love thw Tot, yes... the ride itself could be held accountable for aggravatiing a condition in that 16 year old girl... Again, your comparisons do not make sense
 
Timmay

Timmay

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GothMickey said:
A person is shot while sitting on their porch and dies.. The bullet was meant for someone else.. What you are saying is the person who is sitting on their porch should not have been there because they know at any given time someone can pull a trigger on a gun and you can get killed... Don't blame the person who pulled the trigger or the gun manufacturer because that person on the porch should have known better and should have stayed indoors..
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Huh:confused:

M:S shot somebody?? Wow!!
 
GothMickey

GothMickey

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wannab@dis said:
I've seen a LOT of people sick after riding the Tea Cups (and other similar rides). Is there also something inherently wrong with those rides?

**I'm not attacking you or twisting your post... just asking a simple question.
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I am not taking your posts as attacking, and Wannabe, I apologize if my posts to you were taken as me attacking you.. I hope you didn't take it that way.. By all means, I didn't mean it that way...

But, no matter what I say or feel, or others for that matter, everyone on this board will always make others seem wrong cause they do not agree with you.. It is like a click on here.. And I am not flaming people, don't take it that way... but this is how it appears... When someone disagrees let's twist their words to make them look wrong in hopes of getting them to leave the boards and continue the Disney is great feeling, or hopefully get them banned for inciting a fight, when they are just responding to other attacks....

I never was on the tea cups, can't say.... I assume it is a different sick, but I don't know.... I doubt the tea cups have the same affect on your body than M:S does...
 
SpongeScott

SpongeScott

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JimboJones123 said:
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is that better smilie nazi??????? if you don't get the joke -- it's probably over -- well maybe in this case slipping beside your head.
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:rolleyes: when you're posting online and in a thread like this one, there is no telling what a person will post as reason, especially when you don't throw a smiley in.

No need to be nasty about it. :wave:
 
SpongeScott

SpongeScott

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GothMickey said:
I'm the one with the warped logic yet you say nothing is wrong with a ride that IS responisble for a lot of people getting sick and MAY be responsible for 2 deaths??? Now, which one is warped????
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:brick: I give up. I won't be responding to you any further.
 
Timmay

Timmay

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GothMickey said:
Now I know you can't be serious...
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Of course not...but do you really think that your "story" of the person sitting on their porch and getting shot is the moral equivalent of what we have been debating so far? I hope not.
 
MAF

MAF

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Wow I just got back from my morning class to find 5 more pages added. My question is do you people have jobs or school that you should be doing because sheesh....Give it a rest. Neither side is going to change their opinions on this topic so just let it go...
 
Shaman

Shaman

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TurnipHead said:
Wow I just got back from my morning class to find 5 more pages added. My question is do you people have jobs or school that you should be doing because sheesh....Give it a rest. Neither side is going to change their opinions on this topic so just let it go...
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I agree. Although I think we're all on the same boat when it comes to school and jobs...;) :wave:
 
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totodog

Member
GothMickey said:
Ok, that 77 year old woman, as was stated by family and doctors, was on medication for a health ailment and SHE did not take her medicine that day... Which was more than likely the contributing cause of her death... Different situation... Can't compare it...

And as much as I love thw Tot, yes... the ride itself could be held accountable for aggravatiing a condition in that 16 year old girl... Again, your comparisons do not make sense
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It makes just as much sense as you stating that M:S "aggravted" someones condition (known or unknown) that lead to their demise.
 
GothMickey

GothMickey

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Timmay said:
Of course not...but do you really think that your "story" of the person sitting on their porch and getting shot is the moral equivalent of what we have been debating so far? I hope not.
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Just as much as the one person who tried to compare drving to work and taking sleeping pills...

Really, this argument is getting old between everyone here... All of us are not going to agree on this.. So why continue??? We all started our points.. No one is right or wrong here... I'm done with arguing this matter....

I just hope no one else dies after riding this attraction... or any attraction...
 
GothMickey

GothMickey

Active Member
totodog said:
It makes just as much sense as you stating that M:S "aggravted" someones condition (known or unknown) that lead to their demise.
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I did say ToT yes.... But POTC no... The extreme nature of TOT probably did aggravate somethng the 16 year old had, thankfully she did not die... POTC did not aggravate anything in the 77 year old woman.. Not taking her medicine did.... :)
 
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totodog

Member
GothMickey said:
I did say ToT yes.... But POTC no... The extreme nature of TOT probably did aggravate somethng the 16 year old had, thankfully she did not die... POTC did not aggravate anything in the 77 year old woman.. Not taking her medicine did.... :)
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How can you be sure? Or was her number just up that day? If she had just walked around the park that day, would she still be alive? Same thing with the lady at M:S, if she hadn't ridden it would she still be alive? who knows..maybe her condition would have been 'aggravated' by the drop at the Maelstrom.
 

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