Not good but saw it coming

[Pete C]

The main difference between this ride and others that GothMickey has pointed out numerous times now, is that MS is a special case and it can't be compared to other rides. There is no other ride that I can think of that consistantly has the effect on people that MS does. No rollercoaster, no tea cups, no Peter Pan, and no Pirates of the Caribbean (of all things). How many people have died on the tea cups? I mean, seriously this is some sort of joke. How many decades has it been open in Disneyland? I think it is safe to say the effect of that ride is not anywhere in the ballpark of MS. I can spin myself silly on the tea cups, and just end up dizzy for a short while. MS made me feel weird and uneasy. I didn't throw up, but something doesn't feel right about it. I actually liked the attraction a lot...loved the intensity, but just didn't care for the after-effect. I think that this ride needs to be examined to see what is going on with this ride. How do you know nothing is wrong with it? Are you an engineer? Why did it send riders to the hospital, give countless riders the feeling of detachment, unease, chest pains, sickness, dizzyness, etc? This is starting to sound like the side effect list for some new anxiety drug! Can you think of any other ride that has ever had this effect, CONSISTANTLY across a sample of hundreds of riders, that is currently in operation? I doubt it.

 

[MAF]

Everything you just said is true, but sadly none of these "die hards" are ever going to even consider that this ride is at fault....It's best to just let it go.

 

[Pete C]

Oh, and one more thing, for those of you that think astronauts are advocates this ride. On my rollercoaster forum, I posted an arguement about this ride there and got this response from one of the members:

"If it's any consolation Pete, I heard some similar things a while back. Back on SheiKra's media day we had the chance to talk to a couple of the astronauts that they had brought in to ride for the cameras. One was talking about how much he liked SheiKra, and how much he didn't like Mission Space because of the way it worked and felt. He didn't think it was a good thing and felt like something had to be done, though he didn't know what. I got the impression that he didn't think that the centrifuge was a good idea for the gp though."

 

[Timmay]

I think that this ride needs to be examined to see what is going on with this ride. How do you know nothing is wrong with it? Are you an engineer? Why did it send riders to the hospital, give countless riders the feeling of detachment, unease, chest pains, sickness, dizzyness, etc

First, how do you know this ride has not been..."examined"... as you put it. I would bet you it has been "examined" plenty.

What is going on with it?? Simple, it makes people sick when they do not follow the ride instructions...I know it did me.

I am not sure of the number of riders that were transported to the hospital after riding M:S. Are you?? Please share those numbers and where you got them from. (I have heard anwhere from 143 to 200 people have sought medical attention after the ride...out of 8.5 million)

You are going to have to be more specific with terms like "countless riders". An actual number will do. Also with terms like "detachment" and "unease".

 

[ToTBellHop]

What exactly needs to be examined here? You are arguing that the ride could aggravate a condition. Does it not say verbatim in the small army of warnings on the ride that it can "aggravate" the conditions listed? I am sure if she had hypertension, she knew. It is not exactly a difficult diagnosis to make. Anyone who goes to the doctor at all would, and I would imagine someone who can afford to go to Disney World from German probably has enough money for health insurance (though I am admittedly not sure how health insurance works in Germany--is it universal?). The mention of "other health conditions" leads me to believe the family was very aware of these conditions and alerted Disney. I would imagine at the time Disney was more worried about trying to help the woman, not diagnose health conditions. Some of us clearly need some knowledge of medicine before jumping into this conversation. Pretending to have some idea about the various conditions that thrill rides can exacerbate is really a waste of time and just makes people appear foolish.

 

[dimebagdarrel]

Mission Space is has been a failure since it opened and now it's becoming a danger to Disney's customers....time to cut our losses...how many more people have to die before the ride gets shut down? 5? 10? I'm as big of a Disney fan as the next guys but lets face the facts...Mission Space needs to be closed down for good.

 

[GothMickey]

How can you be sure? Or was her number just up that day? If she had just walked around the park that day, would she still be alive? Same thing with the lady at M:S, if she hadn't ridden it would she still be alive? who knows..maybe her condition would have been 'aggravated' by the drop at the Maelstrom.

Going by what I read her doctor said... The 77 year old could have easily died in her sleep from not taking the medicine she was required to take.. Hence me saying POTC did not cause her to die, not taking her medicine did...

Maybe the drop in Maelstom would have caused this 49 yuear old to die as well, who knows.. FACT is though she got off Mission SPACE and started to not feel well, not Maelstrom... So, my argument that M:S aggravated something stands...

 

[GothMickey]

Everything you just said is true, but sadly none of these "die hards" are ever going to even consider that this ride is at fault....It's best to just let it go.

TurnipHead, you are right.. sad but true... Disney cannot do anything wrong in these people's eyes... Why is it easy to bash Stitch but not easy to bash a poorly done ride like M:S.. other then people not liking Stitch I have never heard of anyone coming out of it and dying...

 

[Timmay]

Mission Space is has been a failure since it opened and now it's becoming a danger to Disney's customers....time to cut our losses...how many more people have to die before the ride gets shut down? 5? 10? I'm as big of a Disney fan as the next guys but lets face the facts...Mission Space needs to be closed down for good.

Okay, thanks.:wave:

 

[GothMickey]

First, how do you know this ride has not been..."examined"... as you put it. I would bet you it has been "examined" plenty.

What is going on with it?? Simple, it makes people sick when they do not follow the ride instructions...I know it did me.

I am not sure of the number of riders that were transported to the hospital after riding M:S. Are you?? Please share those numbers and where you got them from. (I have heard anwhere from 143 to 200 people have sought medical attention after the ride...out of 8.5 million)

You are going to have to be more specific with terms like "countless riders". An actual number will do. Also with terms like "detachment" and "unease".

Need to stop the Disney argument and crunching numbers... 143 to 200 REPORTED... You don't know how many others have had problems and sickness but did not seek medical attention... The 143 to 200 complained of chest pain, dizziness and feelings of heart attack... How many others just puked and never reported it or saught medical attention???? What if all these people came forward now and said they got sick after M:S and the number went for 200 to 2000, would that be enough to convince you M:S is not a safe attraction?? How many other people are going to have to die before you admit Disney failed in this attraction, 3 more, 10 more? Numbers don't lie but they also don't tell the exact truth....

 

[ToTBellHop]

TurnipHead, you are right.. sad but true... Disney cannot do anything wrong in these people's eyes... Why is it easy to bash Stitch but not easy to bash a poorly done ride like M:S.. other then people not liking Stitch I have never heard of anyone coming out of it and dying...

Disney cannot do anything wrong? Well I see your ridiculous claims as leading to one of only two possible "fixes" for Disney.
1. Close all thrill rides b/c they all can exacerbate health conditions (thus the warnings).
-OR-
2. Have health screenings when guests enter the park (e.g. do the finger scan, get your BP measured, get hooked up to an ECG, get some blood work, give a urine sample, and maybe a CT scan--THEN enter the park to ride Spaceship Earth).


By the way, people puke on the Tower of Terror. Should it be closed?

 

[GothMickey]

Okay, thanks.:wave:

Why is it hard to accept that people do not like M:S???? Ride it if you like it, don't ride if you hate it.. But let's not flame someone for not agreeing with you...

 

[GothMickey]

Disney cannot do anything wrong? Well I see your ridiculous claims as leading to one of only two possible "fixes" for Disney.
1. Close all thrill rides b/c they all can exacerbate health conditions (thus the warnings).
-OR-
2. Have health screenings when guests enter the park (e.g. do the finger scan, get your BP measured, get hooked up to an ECG, get some blood work, give a urine sample, and maybe a CT scan--THEN enter the park to ride Spaceship Earth).


By the way, people puke on the Tower of Terror. Should it be closed?

M:S is a different experience than ToT... Admittedly people get sick on any type of thrill ride.. I give you that... But people here are right away ready to blame the person, not the ride... I just have a hard time blaming a person who may not have known they had a medical problem... If you want to blame the person then you need to blame Disney for creating a ride that can cause ill effects.. cause, Disney should know better, just like these people should know better... Rides in Disney were supposed to be enjoyed by all, not segregate the majority to satify the minority (thrill seekers)

 

[ToTBellHop]

M:S is a different experience than ToT... Admittedly people get sick on any type of thrill ride.. I give you that... But people here are right away ready to blame the person, not the ride... I just have a hard time blaming a person who may not have known they had a medical problem... If you want to blame the person then you need to blame Disney for creating a ride that can cause ill effects.. cause, Disney should know better, just like these people should know better... Rides in Disney were supposed to be enjoyed by all, not segregate the majority to satify the minority (thrill seekers)

Right...so your argument is that every thrill ride on the planet should be removed. Just making sure of that.

Why does someone have to be at fault, anyway? Maybe it was an accident.

And I wouldn't call the thrill seekers the minority. There is a reason why the thrill rides see the highest wait times on property.

 

[Captain Hank]

As it stands, there is no reason to consider permanently closing or modifying M:S. We do not currently know what direct role, if any, the attraction played in the death of the woman. Any further speculation to this end is pointless until we know more of the facts.

 

[Timmay]

Why is it hard to accept that people do not like M:S???? Ride it if you like it, don't ride if you hate it.. But let's not flame someone for not agreeing with you...

I find it disgusting when people use a death to push their agenda...:fork: And please be kind to point out the so called "flame".

You don't like the ride...fine...but don't insult me and others by thinking we do not see the agenda.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I find it disgusting when people use a death to push their agenda...:fork: And please be kind to point out the so called "flame".

You don't like the ride...fine...but don't insult me and others by thinking we do not see the agenda.

Right...I don't particularly like Swiss Family Treehouse, but I'm not going to pretend that people come off it in a stretcher all the time so that it can get ripped down. I will, surprisingly enough, choose to not participate in that attraction. Lucky for me, Disney World has hundreds of other attractions that I can enjoy.

 

[GothMickey]

I find it disgusting when people use a death to push their agenda...:fork: And please be kind to point out the so called "flame".

You don't like the ride...fine...but don't insult me and others by thinking we do not see the agenda.

You are insulting everyone else that does not agree with you.. And I find no one here pushing any agenda of getting MS closed.. Did I not say if you dont like it dont ride it???? I believe I did... And please do not insult me by saying I am using a tragic incident to push some made up agenda... That I take high offense to...

 

[GothMickey]

Right...I don't particularly like Swiss Family Treehouse, but I'm not going to pretend that people come off it in a stretcher all the time so that it can get ripped down. I will, surprisingly enough, choose to not participate in that attraction. Lucky for me, Disney World has hundreds of other attractions that I can enjoy.

Pretend people come off a stretcher.. Hmmm So these cases are all made up lies?? Then the 4 year old and 49 year old did not die?? All internet rumors... Cool... So, these reported cases of sickness really did not happen.... So, the people who run these news sites have a vast conspiracy of trying to get M:S shut down by making up 2 deaths and numberous sickness and people getting rushed to the hospital after experiencing M:S just because they don't like it.. Again, your argument holds no water...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Pretend people come off a stretcher.. Hmmm So these cases are all made up lies?? Then the 4 year old and 49 year old did not die?? All internet rumors... Cool... So, these reported cases of sickness really did not happen.... So, the people who run these news sites have a vast conspiracy of trying to get M:S shut down by making up 2 deaths and numberous sickness and people getting rushed to the hospital after experiencing M:S just because they don't like it.. Again, your argument holds no water...

yes, the 143 out of 8.5 million did happen, and you likely find similar numbers on Rock 'n' Roller Coaster but we don't hear about that b/c people have a bone to pick with MS. I don't think .00168% of riders getting sick on a ride is substantial.